Firstly, a some Singaporeans have said that you deserve no justice when you are accused of a crime like that, people like that are horrible monsters etc - but let's consider this case: someone had followed an 11-year old girl into a lift and she alleges that she was molested in the lift. This is a very serious allegation if it is proven to be true - but this also presents a very difficult situation for the investigating police. How do you prove what happened in the lift, unless you have CCTV images from what actually happened in the lift? If such CCTV images were actually available, then the investigation would be of quite a different nature if they do have concrete evidence of the crime. But no criminal would be so brazen (or stupid) to commit a crime like that whilst being filmed in a very small and confined space like a lift, so one could probably assume that there wasn't CCTV in that lift in question.
Thus what actually happened in that lift is actually very difficult to establish - did Lim admit to actually following the girl into the lift? Can the police prove without a shadow of doubt that Lim did get into the lift with that girl. And even if that could be proven, you then have the burden of proof to establish what actually transpired between the two in the lift. Did the 11 year old girl have any kind of re-existing relationship with Lim or his family and if so, what was the nature of that relationship? Furthermore, we know that this investigation was launched because a neighbour had anonymously filed a report against Benjamin. What kind of re-existing relationship did this neighbour have with Benjamin and his family? Indeed, there are many questions which we will never know the answers to but it does point to one thing: without a classic "yes I confess, I did it" confession, the police simply cannot secure an easy conviction for such a complex case.
Thus the police have two routes to take: launch a complex investigation into the complex nature of the relationships amongst the different parties involved in this case or interrogate a 14-year old until he confesses. It seems they went for the latter, given that the boy did confess despite telling his mother that he didn't do it. However, in Lim's own words, “You say I am guilty, I’m guilty then.” That shouldn't be the way it works, but it does remind me of the way justice was rough when I was in primary school. Let me take you back to my primary six class in Sembawang, when I was just 12 years old. A group of students were left alone in a classroom whilst the teacher was called away to the office for an urgent matter for a few minutes, when the teacher returned, a girl in the classroom was crying, claiming that one of the naughty boys in the class had beaten her. The boy said "no, we were arguing and she anyhow say I got beat her to get me into trouble," The teacher examined her arm but found no bruises, it was a case of he said vs she said. The teacher had to believe one version of the story, but how did she arrive at her conclusion?
She tried turning to the students in the class whom she trusted - the well behaved ones who never caused any trouble. "Did you see what happened? Tell me what happened?" I was asked that very question and I said I didn't witness what happened, I had heard them arguing loudly but had only turned to look at them after I had heard the girl crying after she was allegedly 'beaten'. It seemed clear from the witness statements that some kind argument had taken place, but no one actually saw the alleged 'beating'. The accused boy may have well been capable of lashing out during the heat of an argument, but no one actually saw him doing it. However, in spite of the total lack of evidence, the teacher jumped to the conclusion that the boy did actually hit the girl as alleged and this was based on his track record for bad behaviour. I remember thinking that the girl who made the allegation was no angel - she was a habitual liar and there was also a possibility that she got away with making a false allegation, but as the teacher was very keen to bring a swift resolution to the situation, she had defaulted to jumping to conclusions. I still don't know what actually happened that day in 1988 - but I do think the teacher handled that case rather poorly; the boy did walk away with very little faith in the teacher and her system of justice, he could have well said the very words, "you say I am guilty, I'm guilty then."
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Such is the risk of placing justice involving minors in the hands of adults - the lack of concrete evidence and the overwhelming desire to reach a swift conclusion could rush one into making assumptions and taking sides. Children can be unreliable witnesses and trying to interview them is tricky at the best of times. In light of what has happened, it does seem that the investigators have indeed made some assumptions about the guilt of the boy they had interviewed. The question I want to raise though is whether their investigations have been totally one-sided: what kind of investigation have they made about the girl at the center of these allegations and also about the 'anonymous neighbour' who made the police report? Will they bother continue to hunt for the person who allegedly molested this 11 year old girl or will they close the case now that Lim is dead (thus assuming his guilt in the case)?
It is painfully difficult to find concrete evidence in cases like this. I'm afraid justice can be messy at times - our human nature is to desire instant solutions, instant justice when something goes horribly wrong. An 11 year old girl being molested in a HDB block is a horrific story, our children should be able to feel safe moving around the neighbourhoods where they live. However, if the case is going to boil down to "he said vs she said", then it is probable that the best justice we may have is simply, "we can't prove what happened or did not happen in that lift." That is hardly going to be a satisfactory outcome to many - but is interrogating a 14 year old in this manner on the presumption of his guilt, coercing him to confess and driving him to suicide any substitute for justice? No, this is wrong on so many levels - it just reminds me of the horrific mob violence seen in far less civilized countries where people are lynched to death on the basis of rumours and allegations. This ought not have happened in Singapore, if Singapore was a civilized society.
I am also somewhat bothered by the way the suicide of the boy has been reported in the alternative media in Singapore - of course the suicide of a 14 year old boy is extremely tragic, but many people who commented on the article assumed that he was totally innocent and the victim of a grave miscarriage of justice. We should not make any assumptions about what he may or may not have done, even if we can all agree that the police investigations and interrogations could have been better handled. I am reminded of the case of Brian Banks, the American man who was falsely convicted of rape by classmate. The woman later admitted that she had made up the false allegations, so she could sue the local education authorities for the school not being a safe environment (she won US$1.5 million in damages). Did anything happen between Lim and the girl; and if so, what happened, under what circumstances? If this was a false allegation, then what actually did happen? (Has the girl been questioned?)
I am reminded of this story I heard during my NS days - a married officer regularly had gay sex with an NSF of junior rank during guard duty. It was their little secret, in return for the sex, the officer treated the NSF very well in the unit. One day, a very senior officer saw the lights in the office on late one night when he thought that everyone had gone home - he thought, "oh someone left the lights on, I'll go turn it off." Instead, he found the officer and the NSF naked, in the middle of having sex - they were caught red handed. Sensing that he could get into a lot of trouble for having gay sex on SAF premises (and his ORD was just a few months away), the NSF turned on his officer, claiming, "he coerced me, he made me do it." So as it turned out, the married officer had the book thrown at him, whilst the NSF played the victim's card and claimed that he was coerced and manipulated into gay sex. This illustrates how sexual contact can start off completely consensual but somehow still lead to an allegation that one party was not at all willing.
I'm not saying that I have a solution for such situations, but what I am saying is that we should be prepared to accept that life can present us with complex situation where there exists no simple answers and solutions. Maybe an investigation into this case would be fruitless and depend mostly on circumstantial evidence - but presuming the guilt of any party based on assumptions is hardly justice either. If the boy was indeed guilty of the crimes he was accused of, he should still have been dealt with through the criminal justice system rather than driven to suicide at the hands of the investigators who subjected a minor through a traumatic interrogation process. It is a very sad state of affairs indeed. This is the system in Singapore today and 70% of Singaporeans voted for it. That's why I am glad I have left a long time ago - incidents like this just confirms to me that I made the right decision.
So, that's it from me on this story. I'd like to know what your thoughts are: what if it had been your younger brother, husband, nephew or son who had been subjected to the same allegations, would you have faith in the Singaporean justice system? What would you have done then? Do leave a comment below please, many thanks for reading.
I am appalled that Singaporeans only do care about whether at the end of the day, the boy is innocent or not.
ReplyDeleteThere seems to be no discussion on reforms in the criminal justice system here. I think this pretty much sums up who we are as Singaporeans. We like the concept of swift justice. (if someone is guilty, he should be hang by the pole and lynched.)
However, I am afraid the world is not as simple as that. The world is much of a darker and greyer place.
What I would like to see are reforms in the criminal justice system where the accused are privy to his rights. (Miranda rights) There seems to be too much faith placed in the policing authorities here and that is naive of the general public. The room for misuse and abuse of power will always be there if not keep in checked.
However, I am skeptical of fundamental reforms. In fact, most in Singapore are just as likely to use "accused" and "criminal" interchangeably. There is no concept of due process so and the maxim that you are innocent until proven guilty.
Until we change our mentality and thinking, we will always remain a third world country.
Hi David,
DeleteWith the death of the boy, I don't think we will ever find out if he is innocent or not and we shouldn't assume either way. The thing that disturbs me the most is the way both the police and indeed the school have effectively defaulted to the "move along now, nothing to see here, mind your own business" stance when you're right, there are important lessons to be learnt.
Swift justice leads to lynch mobs and that has no place in a civilized society.
Cases like that are confusing and hard to investigate in nature - hence that means it is very hard to get the kind of 'swift justice' one desires. The gay sex on camp story was actually told to me by a good friend of mine who was one of the investigating officers - he actually believed the married officer when he said that the sex was consensual but he couldn't actually prove it. It was the word of one person vs another, so they couldn't charge the NSF with anything the moment he played the victim's card and refused to confess to any wrongdoing. Had it just been two people having consensual sex, then they would have gotten off with a slap on the wrist and the whole case might have been swept under the carpet. But the moment he claimed it wasn't consensual, oh dear - the case got blown out of the water. It's like this other case as well, this was from my friend who was a JC teacher at the time - these two students (guy and a girl) were having sex in a lecture theatre late in the afternoon when they thought no one was around, a teacher had left something in the LT and went back to get it, caught them red handed. Now this teacher was a bit of a prude lah and reacted in an over the top manner, rather than pretending not to see anything. This girl came from a very conservative Christian family, so when the principal claimed "I'll have to inform your parents", she then panicked and played the victim's card, claiming that the boy had "forced himself on her and she was too scared to resist". Oh dear. Blew the case out of the water, from two horny teenagers making out to crying rape? In the end, she proved to be an unreliable witness, changing her stories several times and cracked under pressure when the boy's parents lawyered up - it seems she was only intending to kiss him and go no further, but the kissing was consensual and she had allowed him to do more than kiss her in the end with her consent, but that was not her intention but regardless of her intention, she was consensual all the way and had only changed her mind in retrospect after getting caught. Case was dropped but not before she put that boy and his family through hell - why? Because she got scared and played the victim's card.
On the point of interrogation, have you read this article on Huffington Post?
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It seems that the police force that is in love with investigation via interrogation might not be even at the very least, effective nor accurate, according to studies.
Not sure why the 70% jibe has to come in at any given opportunity. Not funny at all when such a tragedy is involved. First we voted so Calvin Cheng can post about killing children. Now a child jumps to his death after a stressful interrogation, and we voted for it too?
ReplyDeleteReminds me of the mount kinabalu tragedy where some two bit politicians tried to score cheap points on the back of the untimely deaths of several children.
I think I would agree with you more in terms of questioning the mindset of Singaporeans in dealing with such a matter. Was the boy also subjected to undue stigma as this case was going on? But to repeatedly disparage Singaporeans as having asked for it with their vote when such tragedies occur is showing no respect. What if the boys friends and family voted PAP as well? Then what, you gonna tell them they asked for it?
Incidentally, leading opposition parties in Singapore were busy debating the ncmp issue rather than this,last week.
There are just some things that should never be used for cheap political jibes.
Raymond, it's simple - voting for the PAP means maintaining the status quo, voting for the opposition is a vote for change. The fact that Singapore's criminal justice system treats a child this way just because "this is the way we have always done things" is not an acceptable excuse, certainly when things go as wrong as this.
DeleteAre you a PAP voter? I certainly don't feel that this is a question of showing respect - your attitude reminds me of the way PAP voters shot down anyone the moment they tried to raise any questions about LKY's legacy after he died - like why? Are PAP supporters so freaking scared of anyone tarnishing their image that they will resort to the "show some respect, someone has died" card? I don't buy that as a valid argument.
If I had done something like insinuate that the boy was guilty and deserved to die, then yeah - that would be totally disrespectful as we don't know what really happened (but that is what has been suggested on social media) but for you to claim that the PAP is not to be blamed for the state of the criminal justice system and the appalling way this boy was treated - no no no. I don't buy that. The PAP have blood on their hands. They MUST be held accountable. I will keep shouting about it BECAUSE someone has died.
You PAP supporters just don't get it, do you? I am shouting about it because I am showing respect, I care that someone died. You just care about your PAP and nothing else Raymond, duh. You don't actually care about this kid or his family, do you?
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/unacceptable-that-minors-enter-police-interviews-013406083.html
Deletehttp://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/02/what-msm-reported-wrongly-about-case-involving-the-death-of-14-year-old-student/
ReplyDeletePlease imply what you like about the PAP. Yes I am a PAP voter but I will not come out barking at any implied slight on them because I know there's always a truth in between that makes them deserve the doubt.
ReplyDeleteOr for that matter, the judiciary, police force, the media, whatever.
But recognize that when people vote, they vote based on what they think will be best. Yes. We voted conservatively, but we do not deserve to be implied as openly endorsing evil intentions (Calvin Cheng), or that we are happy to allow a status quo in which 14 year Olds get hounded to their deaths.
Thanks for allowing my rant, even if it's directly at you.
I invite you to say what you want on my blog - even if it's very pro-PAP. I think it would be boring if all I got were anti-PAP people who are all united in our hatred of the PAP.
DeleteRaymond, you may vote however you like. However, do not kid yourself that you are not endorsing the status quo of the ill treatment of civilians in what is in essence a police state disguised as democracy. When you vote, you put people in power. You know what they stand for. You made your choice. Spare people like me the rhetoric of how you do not endorse atrocities such as these.
DeleteThis boy chose death over facing the allegations head on.
Guilty or nor, a 14 -year-old killed himself. His alleged crime was not horrendous. He did not bomb a building. He killed no one. At most, he should have been in juvie if found d guilty. He was 14!
This tragedy was the result of coincidence, bad timing and very unfortunate circumstances.
ReplyDeleteIf he had not been dragged away at recess time right after buying his food but before he had a chance to eat it; if he had not been looking forward to going for a school camp the very next day; if the school had not called just after he came home from the police station to inform that he wouldnt be allowed to attend the camp...
That phone call was the straw that broke the camel's back, I think his world ended right there when he heard the news.
But the phone call was also the culmination of a long series of disorienting events he underwent in the course of 5 hours (11am-4pm) in 1 day.
By then, he had lost all faith in the system and knew he had no chance of being vindicated.
Im inclined to think that his suicide suggests his innocence, because if he really did it, he would have known he deserved this, he might have expected the police to come after him, and wouldve taken his chances with the law "if I get arrested I have nothing to lose since Im guilty anyway".
Whereas if he were innocent then he was so badly wronged, he'd find the injustice unbearable.
I know its pointless to speculate "guilty or not guilty". But that does not mean this matter should be conveniently dropped, forgotten after a few days, or investigations no longer pursued.
I dont think we'll hear anymore about the other parties involved: the neighbour who made the report, the 11yo victim whose identity will be protected at all costs. So everything now boils down to the school's attitude to him after he was hauled off, and the mystery of his 2-3 hour ordeal in police custody.
If I were the school counsellor I would accept the school's decision not to let him attend the camp, but I wouldnt ask him to "just stay at home and do your own e-learning".
He should still come to school during those 3 days, but spend his time studying in the library or joining the activities of the other levels / classes.
During that period, the counsellor could have found an opportunity to talk to him about what happened and to help him sort out his feelings.
Let this be a lesson to all school personnel, and also to the police: tread carefully when dealing with teenagers. They are extremely sensitive, and sometimes unpredictable.
I agree with you that my gut instinct tells me that he is innocent, but it is no more than a gut instinct feeling and I've no hard evidence to go by. If he was guilty, then yeah he would have started calculating what the punishment would be and how he would be treated as a minor. But if he was innocent or if the circumstances were more complex (like if it started out as something that was consensual), then he may have felt very wronged. Look at the comment I left above where I told the story about the 2 horny JC students who got caught having sex and the girl cried rape because she was afraid her religious parents would punish her - then the case was dropped when it became clear that she was consensual. There are loads of cases where things like that go very wrong.
DeleteAnother story: my friend who works at a hotel told me a story where a waiter in a busy restaurant in his hotel accidentally brushed his hand against a bottom of a woman whilst busily trying to clear a table. He was reaching for the dishes when she suddenly stood up to leave the table and his hand just happened to be at the wrong place and brushed against her bum. She didn't see him and just felt a hand press on her bottom - she screamed and called the police, determined to press charges as she was 'molested' by the waiter (she clearly didn't like the look of the waiter and didn't believe it was an accident). The catering manager of the hotel believed that the waiter (who was gay) would never grab the bum of an older woman just for fun - but the woman refused to listen to reason. Needless to say, it put the waiter through hell - he nearly lost his job, was subjected to police interrogation and finally it was decided that there was no case to answer for. He was clearly a gay man who accidentally brushed against a woman's bum (technically she backed her bum into his hand when he was holding some dishes).
What can you do? When women complain of things like that, you are obliged to take them seriously, but you need to be fair at the same time.
I think even before this incident there were some doubts place on the SG justice system and the immense power of the authorities.
ReplyDeleteUnlike the US criminal system where you are innocent until proven guilty, where you have 5th amendment rights against incriminating yourself, Singapore has no such things. In fact you are guilty until proven innocent and the burden of proof rests with the accused the very moment a police report has been made. You could end up wasting lots of money in Singapore's criminal system filing affidavits one after another while your (false) accuser tries to throw you in jail.
Then the authorities have too much power and it is not an exaggeration to say that Singapore is a police state. They can demand your ID, hold you in remand for questioning and search your property without any reason or warrant.
Will this change in the future? I doubt it not while the ISA and PAP is still around.
Exactly, that is why I feel justified to blame the PAP for this.
DeleteI find it weird that we still call it justice here when, really, it's mostly a kangaroo court. The decision's already made because public image and profit are all that matters to the PAP. All they need are some puppets to act it out before they can declare people guilty.
DeleteMuch of the reaction seems to be connected to whether the boy was guilty or not, but really, that is not the point at all. Even if he was guilty, he should never have been treated the way he was by the police. I am shocked at how much the Singapore Police Force can get away with, and I am sure they are backed by the government/PAP. What a disgrace, how can Singapore call itself a civilized first world country if this is what it encourages. The stupid people who vote the current government in think they are safe from these injustices, but one day they will get accused of something and then they will realize that even if they are innocent, they are not protected. They think the government protects them and has their interests at heart, but then they will realize then that the government couldn't give a shit about them.
ReplyDeleteIn the US, being interrogated as a minor without a parent present would be illegal. He was not even read any rights or given access to a lawyer, which is also illegal. In the US, even if he did not have a lawyer, he would be given a court appointed one that would shield him from the interrogators. The way this went down, he could have sued the police and not only would he get his case thrown out, he would get big bucks from the settlement from the police department.
With the techniques used by interrogators, which includes the right to lie, such as telling him that he was caught in the act on CCTV, it's very unfair and a real miscarriage of justice, given he is only 14 years old. The way Singapore treats its citizens is shocking and a violation of human rights. They did not need to send FOUR grown cops to pick up at 14 year old child from school. That must have been both humiliating and also unfairly made it seem like a much bigger crime than it really was.
I agree completely.
DeleteThere is a possibility that this boy was wrongfully accused and lost faith in the system. There also exists the possibility that he was guilty and chose the coward's way out instead of facing the consequences of his actions. But to me, this is all besides the point. Even if he is guilty of molestation, he does not deserve to die.
Without going to much into speculation on his innocence or lack thereof, the facts are that this boy was pressured one way or another to take his life. If he was guilty, why did the police not take the necessary measures to secure him for trial, so much so that he actually had the opportunity to take his life? And if he was innocent, this would be a grave injustice suffice to say.
The police have to be held accountable for this case but knowing how it works around here, it is highly doubtful that any heads will roll.
Perhaps I am totally wrong in saying this, since I am basing it on what I have read in the media and it's just my hunch - but the boy in question doesn't look like the kind who would do something like that. I would find it hard to believe that he is capable of molesting an 11 year old girl - he looks like the kind of geeky, quiet kind of boy who would never cause any trouble at all for his teachers at school. I know a 'pai kia' when I see one.
DeleteBut then again, the fact that he told his mother he didn't do it doesn't mean that he is totally innocent. How many times have kids lied to their parents? It happens all the time. So let's not read too much into that. I do feel so bad for the mother though.
Thanks to NS, I've the opportunity to get to know some really screwed up people who had done some really screwed up things. Honestly, it is not that inconceivable to me for a nondescript, quiet 14 year old Singaporean boy to be capable of molesting a minor. That said, I am a firm believer of "innocent until proven guilty", and we should not pass judgement until the facts of the matter are corroborated.
DeleteUnfortunately, with the boy's passing, the tragedy in this is that the truth of the matter may never come to light. If not for the fact that this news had gone viral, SPF would probably have covered the whole thing up. Even now, I am not optimistic that any satisfactory resolution will be had any time soon.
I agree with you that it is the loved ones of the boy who will suffer the most. Based on the way the authorities does things, they may end up not getting any closure to this matter.
In any case, whether or not he is guilty, there is no way that boy deserves to die. I really hope against all hope that the people responsible for this meaningless loss of life will be held accountable for their actions.
Unfortunately, the Chinese has a very different concept of law and punishment which is wholly incompatible with universal human rights. For starter, there is the innocent until you prove otherwise mentality much discussed above. I think this contributes to the generally accepted attitude that the accused (mind you not the criminal) does not deserve any rights, including the Miranda rights. Secondly, there is the preference for swift justice. Swift justice might be gratifying but it has the tendency to cause miscarriage of justice. Lastly, I read some online comment that the poor boy decided to take his own life for fear of punishment, thus he is presumed guilty. In Chinese it is called 畏罪自殺. The argument goes that if he has not committed the crime, then he should not fear a trial in the court. Sadly, the boy is denied the opportunity to clear his name in court. I agreed with MsGotham that the point whether the boy is guilty is moot, the real issue here is that justice has not been given a chance to run its proper course.
ReplyDeleteI wad actually interrogated by the police couple of years ago, when we relocated back to Singapore after having lived in china for more than 10 years. We didn't have our own apartment then and was living with my in-laws, so our recorded address was their home address all this while. They happened to sell their old apartment and moved to another apartment the same week we arrived. I was about to give birth to my second child and busy resetting when I forgot to go to the police station to update our registered address to my in-laws new address. Someone ratted on us and lodged a police complaint that they were receiving letters addressed in me and my husband's names. Somehow the police tracked us down and requested us to report to a police station.
ReplyDeleteThere we were interrogated on why we did not update my address within the stipulated 2 weeks allowance. This was the first time I heard of such a rule, that all persons must report to police if they have changed their home address within 2 weeks or face punishment. Apparently this was a measure to counter the use of fake addresses in the illegal moneylendending industry (loansharks). During the interrogation, my husband was brought in first and I was asked to wait in another room. It was just a regular L-shaped desk, a chair, a computer and a printer. Nothing else. No CCTV, no files, no paper, no clocks.
While I was seated waiting, I was thinking to myself what a terrible decision to be back in Singapore. We were previously based in china where foreigners face the same requirement - to report to a police station if there are any changes to our home address (within 48 hours) but nobody complies of course and there usually isn't any real punishment. Certainly no interrogation.
So when it came to my turn, the police officer took his seat where the PC was and brought out a paper file with my name printed on it. I remember going "Gee... now I have a file and it will be archived for the rest of my life here." The police was not dressed in his uniform. He introduced himself (can't remember his name) and was polite. He started asking open ended questions, 'tell us what you did', 'why did you not update your home address' etc. I can't remember the exact qns, but I was very careful not to admit guilt. There was no crime committed, IMO. He typed slowly while I spoke.
Now I worked in the PR industry and specialise in crisis communications. I subconsciously moved into my 'crisis drawer statement' mode. Rule #1 was never to apologize or say no comments when interrogated (by media). And so, I used the vague phrases like 'I regretted the incident occurred'.
When the officer was done with his cumbersome typing he printed out a draft for me to read. Gosh, I felt like taking a red pen and rewriting everything. The content was different from what I just verbally provided. He inserted many of what I suppose are 'standard police statements' instead of what I actually said. He ended with a 'accused was sorry not to update address' which just drove me up the wall! I requested changes only to be told this is the standard way police officers are required to write. He said he can't change that so long as I agreed that it did happen. I was so exasperated. He made me sign the statement even though it was never my intention to use those words.
I walked out of the station feeling terrible, like I was indeed guilty and fucked up from now on with a police file in my name. Now if that can happen to an adult of 38 years old, I can imagine it probably happened to this 14 year old boy.
And that is what the 70% voted for, Vanessa.
DeleteYikes Vanessa. I despair - it seems like the Singapore police does employ idiots.
DeleteOh yes, the second half of my experience was even more bizarre. A few weeks after we went to the police station, the same officer called my husband to say that he had followed the wrong procedure. Our 'crime' does not require a written statement but only a verbal warning given by the police, I. e. No records will be kept under our names. He called not to apologize but just to tell us that. So my hubby asked him if they will destroy our files now that we have been found 'innocent', he said no. Once a file is created it cannot be destroyed. I am like WTF! They fucked up and not even an apology or recourse! If I was in US, I will sue their pants off. But this being Singapore, I know there wouldn't be a case for us. Yes, the police force employs idiots.
DeleteI am amazed you haven't totally just lost all faith in Singapore and left for greener pastures already Vanessa.
DeleteI have lost all faith in SG, Alex. Migration is in the cards for us. To be honest, I would rather continue living with the haze in China than the 'hazy' authorities in SG. The irony is China is a lot more 'free' than Singapore is, despite frequent media reports about their human rights issues. Sg has just as many human rights issues if we think abt it. A 14 year old boy not having access to legal counsel before he was taken away is a human rights infringement whichever way we see it.
DeleteI feel for you Vanessa - it is not just the government in Singapore per se, it is the people of Singapore. They seem to just accept the system for what it is and have no concept of improving it. That is what frustrates me far more than the system itself - Singaporeans would rather justify a system that condemns a 14 year old boy to death like that, then to admit, "yes the system has its flaws and needs improvement." No, they would rather tell themselves bullshit lies to justify the status quo, just to continue living with the fantasy that they live in a perfect world. Trust me, my mother was like that. Not sure if she is still like that after her son basically said, fuck this, I'm outta here, bye mum, come and visit me in England sometime ok?
DeleteOK OK OK Nadia, guilty as charged - ref: judging a book by its cover. You're right.
ReplyDeleteMy own experience is nowhere as extreme, but I've had a similar experience of being accused of stealing and subsequently interrogated about it in school when I was about 13/14. For some context, this was an 'elite' girls' secondary school where the student body is generally rule-abiding and studious, and the biggest 'crimes' we got were along the lines of people trashing someone else's notes before exams and such, which makes my whole ordeal with the school much more farcical.
ReplyDeleteThe case: apparently something stolen was found in the drawer of the bench I sat at in the science lab my class used, so despite never having opened the drawer the entire time I was there, and having a lot of human traffic in and out of the lab as various classes used it, I was somehow pinpointed as the culprit. On hindsight, the fact that my chemistry teacher was also the discipline master might have something to do with this swift meting out of 'justice'.
Thus I was led to a room after being called out of class, given a piece of paper, and told to write a confession, never mind that I had no idea what happened until the discipline master in question told me. When I asked what the stolen item was, I was told that the school cannot tell me 'because of protocol'. Being one of those quiet 'guai' kids who had never gotten into trouble with teachers before I was already near tears at this point, but it only got better from there-- I was led back to class with a whole bevy of teachers, and subjected to a bag search, locker search, and clothes search (yup, checking underneath my school uniform) in front of the people still in class. A humiliating experience only made better when they (obviously) found nothing and I was told to go home and reflect, and decide if I 'wanted to tell my parents about it'.
Looking back there was a lot more I could have done to correct this injustice, but as a kid who had never had run-ins with authority of any kind before I was too afraid to speak up for myself then. Nonetheless the incident sticks in my mind as the time my faith in ~the system~ was shaken, which is especially disillusioning at that age, so I can only imagine how terrible the 14 year old boy felt.
Oh goodness me. Your story left me speechless - unreal, I knew things were bad but not thaaat bad. Be strong - better still, get the hell out of Singapore for good. xxx
DeleteThanks for the kind words-- I consider myself lucky that I was relatively well-adjusted enough back then for this incident to not leave some irreparable scar on my fragile teenaged psyche, and I'm glad to say that I live abroad now and left that all behind, thank goodness.
DeleteGood, I am so glad to hear that from you. Thank goodness. Be well. xxx
DeleteTalk about incompetence. You have not seen anything yet. I refer you to this blog (not mine).
ReplyDeletehttp://crazyrandomchatter.com/2015/12/26/police-officer-said-in-court-we-will-probably-overlook-issues/
In short, making mistakes while taking evidence, almost losing the no longer useful evidence, false accusation.
Many horror stories but surprisingly, my own personal experience with the police was a positive one. They manage to catch the thief who smash my car window to steal the cash card.
Presumed innocent unless proven guilty. This has been something the law enforcers can't always seems to fully comprehend and it's often difficult for humans to see things objectively. It's such a fine gray line that we often tend to crossover. When someone has hurt u, it's very natural for us wanting to sought for some sort of fairness and justice. But what's really fair, it's always so hard to judge. Even judges have difficulties passing a fair judgement.
ReplyDeleteThough I've witnessed how the police has mistreated the alleged criminals/offenders, to be a little bit fair to them I believe they don't really want to do this if given a choice. Sometimes they've to exert authority or even create fear in people in order to deal with very sly and sleazy criminals/offenders, and it's often very difficult for them catch the real culprit. They've to keep their alert up at all times to ensure the community is safe. Somehow this kind of impression that all alleged criminals are not humans has been inculcated into their minds along their line of job, which probably explains why they've to mistreat/abuse them physically and verbally. Not easy being a law enforcer and certainly it's indeed a very tough job. I don't condone this kind of practice but I do know some law enforcers are being "forced" to behave this way against their very own will. If they showed a little kindness, they are giving the criminals a foothold. If they released the wrong guy, the community is at risk. We can't really understand the psychological impact for these law enforcers and some became abusive at the end of the day which is often a very sad case. While we might not know, some law enforcers had chosen to kill themselves 'cos of this - the guilt, the stress and struggle they've been facing. They are often not reported in news 'cos of the image law enforcers has to keep up with and can't appear weak in the public eyes. Well, they are also humans, like everyone of us covered in flesh and blood.
For this young boy case, I'm sorry to hear he had chosen to take his life prematurely instead of facing the situation bravely. It's often easier for us to push all the blame to SPF for the boy's death just simply cos he was only 14 and was a minor. I feel as an outsider it's best not to judge as we don't really know what exactly had happened between the interogator and the boy. Neither do we know what the boy was thinking at that point of time. He was probably afraid to face all the judgement from the public eyes notably from his school, friends and family even if he was proven innocent at the end of the day. It only takes one solid evidence to prove a person's guilty but it can take forever to prove a person's innocence. Some people just can't pass through this stage even they know they are truly innocent. It takes alot of guts, persistency and strength to stand upright when u r being judged.
In latest case update they reveal there is cctv footage that's how they catch Benjamin. It is revealed that the police follow the photo of the boy in uniform, go to his school then as principal identify then "catch" him.
ReplyDeleteIf assume girl know boy. Why she dun just say his name need police use cctv footage find him? Waste time what! Girl father reported the case not neighbors. And question is even if got relationship with girl, she unwilling u touch her body also is rape and molest pls. Father follow daughter into toilet touch daughter private part not molest ah? Also have relation what! Cannot deny that he touched her and cctv footage prove he is guilty.
Now let's say police have concrete prove with cctv, why they need to "threaten" him or mishandle his case? Even if he choose to keep quite he also guilty!
MIGHT AS WELL SAY HE GUILTY! DARE MOLEST AND STALK GIRL DUN DARE FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!
How many teen kana caught per year! Not even 16 or 18 also won't kana much! If police really threaten all of them, how many death is there already! He is just those coward hide in room play game become pervert siao siao one!