Thursday, 22 October 2015

On the issue of rising childlessness in Singapore

I have read a piece on the rise of childlessness in Singapore and I would like to respond to one of the blog posts on this issue - given the brief nature of the piece, the blogger did not go into any details to justify his/her stance that not having any children will 'lead to sadness' and that somehow having children will guarantee one's happiness. I remember how some blogger friends of mine became the victims of hate mail when they dared to write a piece justifying their choice not to have children (despite being a happily married heterosexual couple). I am effectively poking a hornets' nest by blogging about this topic, but let's start on this ironic note: the rhetoric on Singaporean social media contradicts the cold hard facts that the statistics present. On social media, there is a strong pro-family, pro-children stance - heck, if you just read the opinions expressed on social media, you could almost imagine that Singaporeans love children so much, that most families are having five or six children. But the facts reveal that birth rates have plunged to an all time low (lower than Japan and South Korea) and Singaporean families are doing the exact opposite: they are NOT having babies or simply having only one. Why do the facts contradict the rhetoric then?
Why is the birth rate in Singapore so very low?

Firstly, you have to start with the culture - there is a huge gulf between the realities of having babies and what the Asian culture dictates about the 'responsibility' of adults to provide their parents with grandchildren. The problem with this expectation is that it is based entirely on a highly idealized ideal of beautiful, healthy, well-behaved grandchildren playing with grandparents. The reality of having children in Singapore today is quite different from this rose-tinted image: parents get imperfect children who have all kinds of problems. Perhaps some are struggling at school, others have behavioural issues, whilst others may have some kind of disability - but here's the worst part of the Singaporean situation. Parents (and grandparents) refuse to accept these imperfections: take a child who is but mediocre in his studies. The family refuses to accept the situation, so the poor kid is subject to endless hours of tuition in a desperate bid to turn him into a straight-A student - they will probably get his C grade up to a B grade eventually, but will totally ruin the poor child's childhood in the process. I do feel so sorry for such children.

I have a nephew who is autistic and has Asperger's syndrome. His behaviour is challenging at the best of times and unless you have a child (or a family member) who is going through the same thing, no you will not understand what my family has gone through. What well and truly pisses me off is the way ignorant people would rather see our situation through rose-tinted lenses than actually listen to what the hell I am saying. This older Catholic woman I know claimed that, "Autistic children are so cute and I adore all disabled children - especially those in wheelchairs." My guess is that her very religious upbringing has tainted her views of having children and that her way of coping with the issue of disability is to ignore it altogether - she talks about disabled children as if they are some kind of endangered animals in the zoo, something you can dismiss as different but cute. Looking more deeply at the issue would probably challenge her views of the issue - so she chooses to take a very superficial stance. You'll be amazed the kinds of lies people would tell themselves to justify not having to change their views of the world, just so they can sleep better at night.
Even when you take disability out of the equation, you'll be amazed how many families are dysfunctional. When I look at my own parents, I just think, "thanks for showing me the misery of parenthood, I'm definitely not having children." When I look back at my childhood, my parents had absolutely no idea what I got up to most of the time, they made zero effort to get to know me better. They had expected me to make the effort to understand them, but never the other way around. (That's Asian parenting for you.)  For many years, I never got along with them anyway and as a child, I preferred if they just left me to my own devices. But now in hindsight, as I look at other peers who actually had a good relationship with their parents, there's a part of me that feels insanely jealous of them.

The concept of actually taking an interest in your children, of becoming friends with your children by getting to know them at all was simply totally foreign to my parents. I can only assume that this reflected their own experience, for they were from a different era: both my parents have six siblings each and they probably received very little attention from their parents when they were children. Perhaps I am the one with the idealized image of how a parent-child relationship should be, but I really don't see the point of having children and then not really bothering to get to know them at all as they grow up. Desiring a quality relationship with your child(ren) should be one of the key reasons why you want to become a parent - I wonder how many people simply conform by getting married and having children just because society dictates that you should do so, do they genuinely desire to have children, to become parents?
What kind of relationship do you want with your children?

When I was in Singapore last month, I talked about the popularity of my blog and she remarked, "when you were in primary school, your English was very good, always get good marks for composition one." And I'm like, erm - you haven't really taken any notice of what else I have done with my writing since primary school, have you? Never mind the fact that I had won numerous competitions and awards since my NS days, you probably last took any interest in anything I did when I was in primary school. And no, it was not a remark to reminisce about my childhood - she really doesn't have a clue what I have been doing with my life since I was about 12. Being the youngest child, I think she has gotten well and truly sick of parenting and had gone for the 'do what you want, I don't really care anymore' approach. 

I have talked about how I had tried to spite my parents (in a passive-aggressive way) by rejecting their culture, by pretending I have forgotten how to speak Chinese, by being as white as I can - but that plan has well and truly failed for one simple reason. They just don't give a shit either way, whether I am Westernized or Asian, whether I can still speak Chinese or not, whether I have children or not, it just isn't important to them. You can't spite someone who doesn't give a shit what the outcome is. Ironically, the joke is on me - I spend ages trying to spite them, only for them to spite me in return by refusing to notice my efforts to spite them. But passive-aggressive we are. Whether you like it or not, that's part of our Asian culture - we may shy away from open confrontation, but we still experience resentment and harbour grudges. These fester under the surface and only emerge via passive-aggressive expressions. Some may say that there's a sense of hypocrisy here - when your actions contradict your words, I say it is just the way Singaporeans deal with the older generation. We may nod in agreement, we may say nothing, we do not contradict our parents, we are not looking for a fight, we may keep the peace - but we go on and do the complete opposite.
Beware of Asian parents...

Is my experience unique? I don't think so. I am part of the generation that has experienced the biggest generation gap - I live in the modern world dominated by social media whilst my parents can remember getting their first refrigerator. My first language is English and my second language is French - my father's first language is Hakka and second language is Mandarin. This language barrier means I have great difficulty in expressing myself with my father. When I speak in English, I know he doesn't understand but when I try to speak Mandarin, I realize my Chinese sucks. Thus my attitudes on all social issues are going to be radically different from that of my parents and is it any wonder that many of my generation have rejected their ideals and concepts of parenthood?

I'd like to talk about a case I know to give you some insight into this 'maternal instinct' that we hear so much about. Let's call this woman Emma - she is a step sister of a good friend of mine. Emma is someone you would describe as emotionally needy, she had a difficult childhood as her parents got divorced when she was about 6 and both parents remarried. Thus even as a young child, she was competing with a new spouse for her parents' attention and let's just say, once you factor in a few step siblings, she often lost in that battle. Emma had always felt that something was missing in her life - that cheated of her parents' love and attention. The moment she became old enough to start dating in her teens, she then decided that the way to fill that gap in her life was to get a boyfriend who would shower her with love, but she was so desperate and needy that she often drove guys away. Emma stumbled from one relationship to another throughout her university days but none worked out - by the time she reached her 20s, she was on a hunt for a husband, but again, she scared all of the guys she dated off by talking about marriage way too early.
Emma was looking for love.

As Emma reached her late 20s, she realized, I want a baby. That's what I need. Who needs a husband when I can have a baby. Emma managed to get pregnant through a one night stand, didn't even tell the father of the baby about the pregnancy - she just wanted to have a baby as quickly as possible. Her logic was simple: adult relationships were too complicated, but a mother and child relationship was so much simpler. She would be the perfect mother to her daughter Fiona, she would be the mother she never had and her daughter would adore her, love her, shower her with the love she never got. In return, her daughter would not just love her, but be in awe of mummy. In the first few years of her daughter's life, the plan seemed to work - Emma would spend practically every waking hour with her baby, showering her with love and taking so much joy in motherhood. Emma had a young daughter who was completely dependent on her for everything... then Fiona grew up and things didn't quite go according to plan.

Because Emma gave her daughter Fiona everything she wanted and more, Fiona became a classic spoiled brat. Fiona was incapable of offering Emma any love - in fact, Fiona had very little respect for her mother and what semblance of a relationship was based on mutual needs. Fiona needed her mother's money and Emma needed motherhood to plug a gap in her life. Children are not good at giving love - when was the last time a child actually asked you, "how are you?" No, children are extremely self-centered. I've come to expect nothing less from children - immediately after I had eye surgery, my nephew wanted to tell me about his computer games, there wasn't even a simple question like, "uncle Alex, how do your eyes feel? Are you okay?" Nope, he couldn't be less interested (well having Asperger's Syndrome doesn't help), but is his reaction unusual? No, because all children are extremely selfish people. We do figure out that if we remain so selfish throughout our lives, we will have no friends, no lovers; so we change, we start caring about others when we realize we don't want to be alone, that we want people to like us.
When do we start caring about others around us?

As Fiona became a teenager, it was clear that Emma's plan of using motherhood to fill her life with love had clearly gone very wrong. Instead of love, all she got was frustration and disappointment from her daughter but hindsight is 2020. Fiona is going to university next year and Emma can't wait for her daughter to move out. Emma has given up trying to extract any love out of her daughter - in fact, she has ended up in exactly the same position as my mother did years ago and has defaulted to the, "sigh, do what the hell you want, I really don't care what you do anymore." Emma has learnt her lesson. She has gotten herself a few dogs - the kind of unconditional love she gets from her pets is a lot simpler, it isn't as complicated as human relationships. In a strange sort of way, Emma has finally found what she has been looking for all these years in the place where she least expected it - such is life. Emma's parents failed her, but in trying to be the perfect mother to her own daughter, she too failed albeit in a different way.

What does the ironic experience of Emma tell us about parenting? It goes to show that even with the best intentions, parenting can go very wrong and you can still end up practically estranged from your child(ren) like Emma. All too often, bad parents are portrayed to be deeply flawed, which leads them to be neglectful or abusive. Emma tried her very best but still somehow ended up woefully ineffective. Such is the challenge of parenting - the previous generation simply assumed that it was their duty to have children regardless of whether it was what they wanted but our generation are pausing for a moment and thinking, "wait, is this really right for me, is this what I want?" And there's absolutely nothing wrong with having those thoughts - many do go on to become parents anyway but some decide against parenthood after having thought it through. It is simply not for anyone to judge those who arrive at different decisions on this matter, and after all, it is an individual's right to decide how many (if any) children they wish to have.
Is Emma's experience unique? Not really. She is just a mother who had high expectations of the parenthood experience and ended up very disappointed. We are dealing with a generation who have grown up watching older siblings, cousins and friends having children - we are observing their experiences at close quarters and witnessing both their joys and disappointments. Most of all, we're also able to compare and contrast the experiences of those adults who have chosen not to have children.  Those without children are able to dedicate themselves to their work without worrying about neglecting their children. Indeed, those without children are able to focus far more on themselves - be it professionally or personally Most of all, parenthood means having to take responsibility for your children all the time - not having that responsibility means being able to think about yourself, rather than your child.

Of course, it seems quite un-PC to criticize anyone who does go down the road of parenthood. Hey, it's a free world, if having children will make you happy, then please go ahead - just don't end up like Emma. And for the sake of balance, Emma is just one example of a disappointed mother. there are plenty of other parents out there who are wonderfully happy with their children. But here's the thing - not all families are happy, not all parents are satisfied and so much of that boils down to the quality of parenting: you want to have great kids, then start by being a good parent. But when we see bad parents out there who have raised horrible kids, we usually refrain from criticizing as our first instinct is to think, ooh that's really none of my business, I don't want to cause any offence. That's why we do not hear many people arguing against parenthood - those who do not wish to have children simply keep quiet because it is a personal decision; bizarrely, those who wish to have children seem to feel the need to preach to others, "hey look at me, you should do what I do." This goes a very long way to explain the discrepancy between the rhetoric and the statistics.
What if I am childless but happier than everyone else?

So that's it from me on this rather thorny, divisive issue. I know I cannot do it justice, so it is just to kick start a conversation with my readers: how do you feel about this issue? Would you want to have children? Do you already have children? What are your motivations on the issue of parenthood? Would you prefer to not have any children at all, and if so, why not? Leave a comment below and let me know what you think, let's talk about it. Thanks for reading.

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  1. I love being a mom. I love my son's smell. I love his fingers and toes I love it when he says, "Yes, Mama?" whenever I call him. I love it when he blows me kisses in the mornings. He is 12! That said, parenthood is highly overrated and underrated at the same time. You cannot derive your sole happiness from parenthood. If you do, you are going to be disappointed. They will grow up and leave you one day. Then what? If you had focus your whole existence on your child, you will be miserable and needy. Exhibit A ---my mil.. She is one miserable human being. Her whole life was her husband and sons. When hubby died and oldest son left home, she nearly died. Well, or so she said. She was still young. Just 39 years old. Pathetic.
    Then there are parents who think that parenting is easy and anyone can do it. Not at all. Many people should never be parents at all. They raise idiotic kids who pollute the earth with their useless existence. Blame the idiotic parents who have no clue how to be productive citizens, much less raise decent children.
    Bottom line, there is no shame in childlessness.

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    1. I am insanely jealous of the good relationship you have with your son. You're an amazing person :)

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    2. Thank you, hon. It is a precious relationship which my husband and me cherish. No matter the pet peeves with my hubby, he is a great father and has much to do with my son's good nature and character. . I think the fact that we waited 13 years after marriage to have a child helped. We were old enough to appreciate the blessing of our child.

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  2. Don't think I will have children since i'm still sorting out my own professional life and don't yet own a property.

    Apart from that I have restless feet and want to leave Singapore and explore the world. Having a child would tie me down pretty much for a decade or 2 both physically and financially.

    Most importantly I don't think I will make a good parent. I grew up in a dysfunctional family and early on my elder brother and me decide after NS to stop staying with the parents. Even my best friend was abused from young by his guardian and didn't have a happy childhood. So due to lack of role models being a good parent is almost impossible.  

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    1. Hi Choaniki. In the case of Emma, she didn't have a happy childhood, she didn't have good role models as parents - yet she had every good intention to be the best mother in the world. But in her case, good intentions weren't enough: so perhaps I am indeed underestimating the importance of role models?

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    2. Unfortunately for Emma they are not enough. You know what they say about the road to hell, they are paved with good intentions.

      Children learn a lot from they parents by mimicry. Which I why mentors and good role models are important in development.

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  3. I never wanted to have kids; they are distractions from a simple and minimal life that I am trying to achieve. Having kids is a commitment that I don't seem to have the vision to carry though.

    People with clingy or dependent personalities may find their purpose in the external environment with other people who depend on them to a greater extent. However, my personality is one of that craves for personal space and individuality; I do not possess the nurturing qualities of a parent.

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    1. Part of the reason why I don't want to ever have kids is because you have to take responsibility for them - you have to take care of them well and that means having far less time for yourself. I would rather dedicate more time to myself and do the things I like.

      As for the naysayers who go, "oh but when you are old and alone, you don't have children to take care of you?" Yeah my parents had me and I had such a bad relationship with them I now live 8 time zones away from them. There's no guarantee that your children will wanna take care of you - I used the example of Emma as a woman who set out to be the best mother in the world, with every best intention, yet somehow still failed.

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    2. You're just reaffirming the reason to label willfully childless adults selfish, despite how often they vehemently deny the allegation with no valid defense or equating parenthood an act equally as selfish to theirs, when it's obviously not so in function. The choice to remain childless because one wants to avoid being a nurturer or to allocate resources and time away from themselves, just to continually primarily prioritize themselves is a scientific demonstration of selfish behavior. I am not a parent, I probably will never be one either, So I'm not attempting to be priggish or critical, but for the sake of intellectual honesty this topic often lacks, its worth mentioning.

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  4. I came from a dysfunctional family and never had any sorts of connection with my parents since birth. I was raise up by my granny, and I didn't get to see my dad until 3. As I get older, I was left alone to fend the world all by myself. Literally speaking, my parents are just child-bearing machine and when their children are out, they leave them for the society to breed and nurture them. My parents had 4 children as a result, me being the eldest. Thanks to compulsory general education in Singapore, I was being send to school and got educated. I ponder, question and wonder about my existence as young as 5 years old 'cos my parents don't seems to do a job of what a mum and dad would do. No TLC were ever given, they only appear during meet-the-parents session when really needed to. They don't know me or even care what was I studying in school. They didn't bother whether have I done my homework or how I fair in school. Even heading to poly and university was never their business. I had once rebelliously challenged my parents about having me since they don't give a shit about my existence, I was beaten up as a result. "I should have strangled you to death when you are out!" This was what my mum told me when I was only 10. Of course, the rebellious me retaliated and challenged her again, "Then why at the first place you chose to have me?" I was beaten up again. I led a life which I had to constantly fight to survive; handling my school, daily expenses and ridiculous parents at the same time. The moment I reached a legal age of 14, I started working and support myself all the way through university. Growing up like this was never easy.

    That was my parent's time and it was already that problematic. I use to blame my parents for almost everything they had done from having sex, had me to making me going through all these shit all by myself. "All by Myself" sang by Eric Carmen/Celine Dion is the best power ballad ever written in history. Certainly, there're areas I'm severely lacked of and I clearly understand that I might not become a good parent. Neither is my overly strong-head and independent character appeals to most guys out there. Though I'm capable to love, parenting is more than love. It's about sacrifice, devotion and commitment when a child comes into a picture. Parents need to nurture and develop their child at his/her best interests not theirs, which I find a lot of Asian parents fail to do that. My parents are just a little extreme by dumping me to survive by my own. For sure, I do not want to end up like Emma.

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    1. Hi Katie, sounds like you and I have quite similar experiences. I do feel sorry for my mother lah, she was from a poor family and saw marriage as a way out of a miserably poor family. Her role in life has been defined as good wife + mother - and so from a young age, she was convinced that's her role in life, to be a baby making machine. No one told her, "you can be a super successful businessperson or a president"; that kind of aspiration for women came after her generation I'm afraid. Did she really want to be a mother? Maybe, I never asked her - but the way she took little interest in me made me feel like she wasn't enthusiastic at all about the whole concept of motherhood. I wouldn't go as far as to call her a bad mother - I just feel sorry for her as she clearly didn't think that she had any choice in the matter: that she simply had to get married and have children, like that was her calling in life, rather than spending time and effort on herself.

      Emma's story is different - in that despite her best of intentions, she ended up being ineffective as a parent and has not managed to forge a meaningful relationship with her daughter. It is good to reference cases like hers because not all ineffective parents are deeply flawed, some try their very best but still go wrong.

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    2. Yeah, as I get older, I started to see my parents from a different perspective and tried to understand why they are like this. My parents are not very bad and I do think they do have their own set of problems back then. My dad was able to buy a 104sqm HDB flat at ~$50k with $1,000 monthly salary in the early 80s. Unlike for now, my dad's CPF wasn't wipe out all at once before a loan was approval, making us able to have a shelter for the past 30 years. Now talking about purchasing a flat with this amount of salary, it's near to impossible. Despite this, we struggled financially which probably speaks why they would just prefer to "dump" us to the society to breed and nurture us. The real issue actually surfaced for us when I was in my teens and early adulthood, during the 90s through the early 21st century where Singapore has become more advanced and cost of living got significantly higher. Policies changed and greatly impact on us who are born between the late 70s and early 80s. My parents couldn't keep up while I'm struggling to pay off my tuition fee with a pathetic payrate of $4.50/hr. When I got myself into the working force drawing a better salary, my parents felt strongly that it's my duty as their daughter to repay them. Certainly I disagree, for I was struggling between school and work. I needed the money to support my degree and daily expenses. It didn't sound very right to me. Their argument was that I was provided for with a house to live in. Because of this, I need to repay my parents? This is one stupid notion I always can't stand whenever my relatives and friends poke their noses into my biz and insisted that I should give at least 10-20% of my salary to my parents as allowance monthly. This often come to a very aggressive and debatable point on why you must have kids just for them to repay you when you're old? Is having kids your future pension scheme?

      Times have changed. HDB flats are getting smaller and prices are insanely expensive. We're talking about buying a merely 70-80sqm 4 room flat for about $300k-$500k. When I own my very first flat and witnessed how my CPF monies got wiped out instantly on the officer's computer screen, I was literally screaming in my head! That was the beginning of my lifelong nightmare!!! The thing here is my parents still think getting a flat now can be as cheap as $50k until I show them my mortgage. Times have changed, I'm sorry mum and dad you can't expect your children to support you fully and have this kind of expectation.

      I don't deny that for whatever things my parents failed to give me, I desperately yearned for it. I used to think like Emma, hope I could get hitched and be a good parent, give my child what I could and in hope he/she could grow up the way I'd want him/her to be. And don't be like my parents. After been in several failed relationships and seeing a lot of ill/ineffective parenting, I got to realize that establishing a family is not built based on self needs. I should never raise my child in this way to compensate the kind of emotional lost I had when I was a child. Great parents I know sacrifice and commit themselves to raise their kids into someone who they really are, not moulding them accordingly to their selfish needs. Unless I'm emotionally ready to sacrifice myself to become such a parent, I shall remain childless.

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    3. Hi Katie, thanks for your comment.

      I think it is important for you to find your own space to be able to blossom as an adult, to make your dreams come true, to find happiness on your terms. You've come through a lot in the process of growing up and I wish that you will be able to find the most positive aspects of the experience and take those with you. Heck, I didn't have a good time in NS but I look back and remember the valuable lessons I learnt during that period - and as for the bad memories, the bad times, what good would holding on to the resentment do me? I just have to do what is best for me now and move on with what goodness I can extract from that period and look to the future. I hope you will do the same too my friend.

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    4. Deeply touched by your kind encouragement and I'm grateful, Alex. It has been a long time I've heard something like this. As such is life, life is a rollercoaster, just gotta ride it. Though I viewed life can be a bed of roses, it could be thorny and pricky at the same time.

      Permit me to share this NYT article I recently read: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/nyregion/dying-alone-in-new-york-city.html. I'm pretty sure a few would want to have kids so that they don't get to die alone like Geroge Bell. While I do resent about my childhood and got myself into a series of shit in hope life would be better, I've chosen to let go and started to move ahead. And yes I'm entering a new phase of life, though in a painful process of separation and divorce. Instead of getting upset about my failed marriage, I'm actually looking forward and finally I'm able to pursue something I always wanted to do. Heck! In future to come, should I be able to lead a life that's truly meaningful, I shall set up a blog with a title 老娘是个打不死的蟑螂!

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    5. I don't get the concept of giving parents an "allowance" if they have been self-sufficient all these years. I have said this before --- children are not a retirement plan. With CPF in place for decades, despite the many restrictions, most people should not depend on their children for financial support. Yet people like my mil, who still runs her own little business, demand that their children give them money. Friends and relatives will often stir the shit pot by asking, "So how much does your son/daughter give you a month? My son/daughter gives me $xxx." Amongst the parents, they compare and tsk tsk when a child is not giving an allowance. Stupid. They should be proud of the human beings they have raised rather than the allowance their children bestow upon them. Filial piety should not be measured in $$$$. Filial piety is not love. Your child should want to see you, visit you, and spend time with you because they miss you. Not because they feel obligated. They should look forward to Sunday brunches and dinners with you because they want to spend time with you. Not because you will nag at them with irate phone calls. Asian parents are ridiculous. They need to have a life outside of their children and grand children. Go take up a baking class or yoga or ballroom dancing!

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  5. Hmm so just like what happened in the GE, there is a silent majority making their voices heard not through words, but with actions? Big question mark, based on anecdotal evidence & personal observation. But this is just based on the overall, general spirit of the times that I am sensing in Singapore today. Here is a thought experiment with 3 scenarios, along with my own results when I tried it. But if your conclusions differ, please share!

    1. Among single young adults, is the desire for a long-term partner stronger, or the desire for a child?
    2. Among newly married financially stable couples, which type have you known or heard of more: (a) dont want kids, but accidentally find they are expecting, then decide to abort it; (b) want kids, but cant, and spend tens of thousands on fertility treatments until they finally have one?
    3. Among adults past child-bearing age, which is more common: (a) those who never had children, & regretted it; (b) those who DID have children, & regretted it?

    My answers: 1. The desire for a kid is stronger, and finding a stable, permanent partner is just a means to achieve it. Thats what the term "get married & settle down" refers to, after all. This desire becomes stronger when people move from their 20s into their 30s, to the point that they just want the kid, never mind if there's no partner. Just adopt, or get pregnant from sperm bank /one night stand.
    2. There are more couples desperate to get pregnant, than those who dont want kids. Among the latter group, those who unexpectedly get pregnant, will eventually decide to keep the baby rather than have an abortion.
    3. I have spoken to a couple of older people (in their 50s & 60s) who do not have kids & expressed that they face a vast abyss of emptiness, a chasm of loneliness; but I have NEVER met ANYONE who had kids & regretted it.
    Please note that these answers are merely based on MY limited circle of experience. LIFT, your social life is a lot more varied, so I would love to hear about the people YOU have come across.

    PS. In Asia, as long as parents provide sufficiently for their kids' physical & educational needs, they have done a GREAT job (your parents were pretty ok in that aspect, honestly).
    To Asian parents, the social & emotional stuff is just a nuisance, a minor irritation; hindering the main task of making sure your kids get ahead in life.
    If you were to put a group of Typical Asians among a group of typical westerners, the Asians would be SO socially inept, they would appear to be autistic.

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    1. Hi and thanks for your comment.

      1. That's my point - the rhetoric on Singaporean social media totally contradicts the statistics, if you guys are so vocal about children, so pro-having more babies, then why is the birth rate even lower than Japan and S Korea's?

      2. What is the reason why people so desperately want a kid though? As in Emma's story, she wanted a baby to fill a gap in her life (which it did for a few years), then her plan went awry. Are parents guilty of having unrealistic expectations?

      3. I think it's wrong to expect children to keep you company in your older years - your kids will be busy with their own kids (if they have any) and have their own jobs, older people have got to learnt to be a lot more resourceful in terms of constructing meaningful social networks rather than default to family for that. My parents and I barely talk - they have made very little effort to get to know me as a person, so I think there's a huge difference between fearing loneliness as a bogeyman and actually using your children for 'company'. You can have children and then still barely talk to them.

      But if you were to ask my parents today about me - they will probably sing praises about me, about how successful I am rather than saying, "Oh my only son? He's gay and has gone to live in the West. Sigh, what a disappointment. I regret raising him, should have chucked that baby in the dustbin." No, people 'want face' in Asian society - I've seen my parents actually sing praises of me to others and I'm like, yeah why didn't you bother lavishing any of that praise on me when it mattered? The reason? Simple. They didn't praise me to others because they were genuinely proud of me, they did it to make others feel envious, to make themselves appear good, as excellent parents who have something to be proud of. It was all about making them look good to others - the 'praise' had nothing to do with me at all.

      So there are probably people who have regretted having kids - but will they admit it to Mr Chin Lam Toh? No, they won't tell him. Such is the difference my friend.

      4. Ref: emotional/social stuff & Asian parents, yup, you've hit the nail on the head.

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  6. Hi LIFT, Thanks for your reply. This is a topic I feel VERY strongly about (I am VEHEMENTLY anti- child- bearing), but in my previous comment I tried to maintain a balanced neutral & objective tone for the thought experiment. My reasons for being anti-child are: 1. worldwide overpopulation 2. trouble & burden on time & energy 3. unreasonable huge outlay of financial resources.

    Having made my stand clear though, could I address some of the points you made? Well, first and most importantly, Im sure deep down youre aware your parents are proud of you & do love you (& certainly dont regret keeping you away from the dustbin!), but they dont know how to express /show it, and its compounded by the fact that they cannot understand your job and a lot of other things about you which happened since you "flew the coop".

    Second, a majority of people still do want children (and I think theyre a bunch of dumbasses). The news that childlessness is increasing, says the percentage of childless married women went from 4.2% to 11.2% since 1994. That currently leaves 88.8% of them WITH children.
    True, its a misguided attempt to stave off loneliness in old age; they later discover this to be a failed strategy. But even if your kids want totally NO contact with you, they give you an elemental blood-&-bone connection to the world, because you know they are alive somewhere, they are your legacy to the earth.

    Finally, I sincerely dont believe anyone who has children lives to regret it, even if the child turns out deformed or grossly imperfect, or even if they didnt intend to have the child at first. This is because they come to love the child immediately after it is born. I have one child who was an accident, he is none too bright (from Normal Tech stream, going ITE) but he is the world to me. This is so genetically wired into all mammals, it has become human nature.

    But at the end of it all, I still insist that, all else being equal, it is better NOT to have children.

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    1. Hello again. Allow me to respond to your points.

      1. Believe it or not, I'm neither pro or anti children. I think that parents should take their responsibility very seriously and only have children if they are prepared to commit to the duties of being good parents. I look at someone like Di Talasi who is such a good mother and has a wonderful relationship with her son and I think, "every mother should be like her". Perhaps because of my poor experience, I do feel that too many people become parents because they feel they have no other choice in the matter, that it is what they must do; rather than because they have any real desire to become parents and thus become mediocre or even bad parents when faced with the realities of parenthood.

      2. As for my parents, sigh. I have learnt my lesson lah, I think this time last year when I bullied my sister (yes I am very sorry for what I did) into getting them to praise me for my accomplishment in landing my first big job in German TV; she literally sat my mother down next to her on Skype and made my mother agree with everything she said and I'm like, "oh shit, what I have done? I want my mother to understand that what I have done is praiseworthy, but it now looks like my sister has somehow forced her to just sit down and dutifully nod." I've given up with my parents on that aspect and have accepted that my sister's love is sufficient and I love my sister in return. You'll be amazed how little my parents and I spoke despite the fact that I was in Singapore for 3 weeks - they would ask me inane questions like, "can you buy mangoes in a London supermarket?", rather than ask me "so what kind of work are you doing these days?"

      3. Yes the majority of women still want children, thus the rise in childless married women is just marginal, but what about single women? Why are they not included in this statistic? What about women who don't even marry to begin with?

      4. I'm not sure how my parents feel about me being their legacy to the earth - if they are half interested in their legacy, they might have bothered to find out what I am doing for a living these days. I could be the local drug dealer, I could be working in corporate finance - they have no idea.

      5. I smiled when I read what you wrote about how your son is the world to you. Such is your bond. I think I achieved everything every Singaporean parent could ask of their children from scholarships to sports to career achievement - all I was hoping for is a bit more attention from them, like taking an interest in what I do, that's all.

      6. All else being equal, I think it's better for people to take the responsibility of parenthood a lot more seriously if that's the path they wish to go down.

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  7. I am married and childless and I have no intention to change that at the moment. Being married with no children is a taboo in Singapore. I get so many annoying and blunt questions from people from all walks of life, thinking it's their right to preach about the wonderful life of having children or asking awkward personal questions about it. Sometimes I get pissed off and retort with a rude reply but then it gets so awkward! I think you have to have children for the right reasons and have it for the sake for having it. So many people in Singapore have children because they think it's the "normal" thing to do and a lot of their children turns out to be so rude and badly behaved.

    The thing with Asian parents is that they are so obsessed with grades. As long as you are doing well in school, then you are a good and obedient kid. It's the Asian culture to not talk about feelings. My parents though, was not and I was always told but by my father that as long I did my best, it's good. I came from a loving family where my parents dote and gave me all I wanted but I was so inferior growing up. Growing up as an overweight kid, I was constantly teased by my relatives but my parents never stepped in to help. To them, it was just mindless teasing and there was no concern about how it might hurt my feelings. There was so many episodes to recount. I remember hating going to piano lessons because the teacher was downright mean but it did not occur to me to talk to my parents about it. I did confronted my dad about it recently and he told me that I should have told him about it and he would have changed the teacher. But the thing is, we never talk about the topic and how my lessons went! I still sort of harbour a grudge over my unhappiness after all these years. Lol. Some things are just hard to let go, I guess.

    I have a question for Limpeh that is not quite related to this. I have read your past entries about working as an expat in a lot countries. Do you get reverse culture shock when you get back, and if yes, how do you deal with it? I just came back from Switzerland after living for a while and I find it so hard to re-adjust back. I miss the crisp air, wonderful weather and the slower pace of living. It's downright miserable to be back. And the weather! I'm not sure I can get used to sweating like mad all the time again.

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    1. Hi Arissa, thank you for your comment.

      Such is the nature of Asian culture - I think your relatives are blunt in the way they believe they are helping, perhaps they have good intentions but don't know how better to express themselves. Hence the incessant nagging + teasing when you were younger. It's a cultural thing I'm afraid and I can see why you have felt resentful against it.

      As for reverse culture shock, I'm afraid it's just a question of a matter of time - there is little one can do about the culture shock. You need to evaluate the findings from your experience - if you clearly prefer it in Switzerland, then it is time to explore the long term options of working abroad.

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  8. My major beef with most Singaporean parents is the lack of any planning on their part when having a kid. Based on anecdotal evidence from peers and ex-colleagues, most just let nature take it's course or the kid just happened to be an accident.

    I mean is it too much to ask for a short plan and financial plan before having a child? Heck some people put more though and effort in gettting a car (taking class 3 license, getting bank loan) then they do when having a child. Yet while one is a dispensable inanimate object the other is a living breathing human being! Why risk the whole life of a human just to have him born and discard him like an unwanted toy?!!

    Shouldn't future parents take some kind of parenting courses and have a trust fund set aside before they are allowed to get pregnant? That way parents can't go asking for handouts when they have a child they know they can't afford to raise decently.

    My dad divorced when I was a wee lad and most of my childhood is spent miserable with non-existant parent(s). Ido not wish the same misfortune on my enemies.

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  9. As a parent of 3 under 10s I have one thing to add - nothing can prepare you for parenthood as you are dealing with diverse personalities. My three are like chalk and cheese. What you have to do is a parent is to bring out the best in them - talk to them and encourage them. This can only be achieved by talking to them and reasoning I find. I always tell my kids why I am punishing them. My hubby and I are pretty strict - we expect high standards and we ensure that they are responsible and well-mannered. Constant reminders of 'ps' and 'qs' and getting them to help with their chores (we have no maid). I let them explore a lot on their own and I do not intervene in fights etc stuff all the time - I let it sort them out themselves or just give them advice on how to deal with situations but ultimately it is their own decision. Of course I am them when they are sad or if they fall - but I definitely do not molly coddle them.Our aim is to raise resilient as well as responsible and caring adults. My kids and I are pretty close I would like to think - we talk a lot. It helps that I work from home so I am pretty flexible with my time. I have to remind myself constantly I am not their friend; I am their parent. If I lash out or think that I have been unfair, I am not afraid to apologise and admit that I am wrong. I tell my kids I love them and when I correct them, tell that I am doing it because I care and want to grow up to be good people. Kids understand a lot more than adults give credit for. My style of parenting is called RIE parenting - not that I decided to parents this way intentionally. My hubby and I just fell into it, and realised only recently that it had a label. I love being a mum; but it is not for everybody. You need a great deal of patience and tenacity plus the capcity to forgive and forget.

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    1. Hi Linda, I had to read up on RIE parenting as I wasn't familiar with it.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/28/rie-parenting-treating-baby-with-respect_n_4681448.html That's a good article.

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  10. Every time I see a whiny abusive kid in public throwing a tantrum, my first instinct is to find a pail, fill it with water and put the kid upside down for a good minute. Nothing like good old fashion waterboarding.

    I dont think I will ever have kids, too much to give and the ROI is minimal. Not to mention the next few decades will be crazy and cost of living going up, its going to be difficult planning for retirement with kids around. My mom keeps telling me I need to send her $1k every month for living expenses, I simply rolled my eyes and molly coddle her with sweet words but I have no intention of giving her a single cent. She lives in the old way of Chinese thinking that having kids is a some type of insurance against helplessness in old age. What she doesn't realized and still haven't realized that all her kids are scums (myself included) and will ignore her needs since we are too busy taking care of our own needs. Do you think me evil? I probably am, but hey her next stop is the grave, mine is several decades of work, I got to look out for my own interest...

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    1. I don't know if you are evil. You do seem rather callous. Does your mother need your money? Does she have enough to eat? Does she have access to health care? My mil is middle class. She just wants my husband's money to brag about. I was lucky. My siblings took care of my mom when she was alive. If your mom is destitute and needs your support but you are waiting for her to drop into a grave so that the problem will go away. .. then yes, you are evil . That aside, it is a pity that Asian parents count on their children for financial support. In this day and age, people should discard this romantic but archaic notion.

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    2. Indeed. The whole idea of having kids to guard against old age is a relic from the old days when we humans were an agrarian society and lack of modern science means people die young. It was not uncommon to see peasants with 20 children, probably 5 will die before they hit 20s. The rest can go till the land and look after the old parents.In this day and age, with modern antibiotics and what not, there really is no point having kids as an insurance for old age. And what makes you think your children will look after you when you are old? They may chuck you into an aged care facilities and forget about you.

      To answer your question, I dunno but she now has a parasite in the form of my bankrupt older brother living with her. Guy is a complete waste of space and a total loser. The last I hear about him was that he is working as some sort of Uber driver, given the fact that cars are expensive I suspect he would have manipulated my mom into buying a new car. If so she is a total fool and I have little sympathies for a fool even if she is my mother

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  11. Add me to the statistic.

    I have no sexual desires anyway so hence, I can never get pregnant by accident. I don't want to have children either. I just wish for a life long partner. :)

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  12. You offered the best perspective I ever read and heard. Deep truths that people need. What I wonder most is why some who already experience great pain in marriage and/or childbearing (raising) still advocate them fully... like my dear mom and 1 elder sister. My mom has 2 daughters (1st & 5th) that suffer long-term mental illness.

    I, the youngest child grow up seeing how my mom suffer in taking care of them and spend much time (heart breaking) and monies on all kinds of doctors / gods she could find.

    And then my this said elder sister (2nd daughter of my mom) has quite a challenging marriage (2 have separate lives now) and a son with serious autism that she takes care 24/7.

    YET BOTH she & my mom still say it is better to be married and have kids than to be single ???!!!!

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