Monday, 14 September 2015

Shopping for winter wear in Singapore

Hello people, having just spent three weeks in Singapore, I have had the opportunity to go shopping a lot (well it is Singapore's national hobby). I had the chance to pop into quite a few stores to look at their winter wear and I'd like to talk about my experience. I have some good things to say and some bad things to say - needless to say, I am not being sponsored by any of the shops I visited nor am I endorsed by any of them. I merely popped in as a shopper and behaved like one, so I have to be quite careful what to say about the specific shops as I don't want to get any shop assistants into trouble. Some of these shops clearly displayed the sign, "no photos" and so I had to take mental notes.
Shopping for winter wear in People's Park Complex, Singapore.

Whilst my intention is to unveil some of the bad practices by these shops selling winter wear in Singapore, the last thing I want to do is to get any single individual into trouble over this. I always believe in the principle of 'buyers beware' and that the buyer needs to take some responsibility to make sure that s/he isn't being cheated - but at the same time, shop owners should not be taking advantage of the ignorance of the shopper to convince them to buy winter clothing that they will never ever need. There is a huge difference between 10 degrees and -10 degrees and I have even asked some shop assistants for advice whilst in the shop: without fail, I was given very bad advice every single time. The default position would be, "buy all this as you will get cold" - which translates to "the more I can convince you to buy, the more you will spend in my shop". I don't know if this was the default response if they didn't know the answer or if they were instructed to do so.

So here's what I did: I went into a number of winter wear shops in Singapore posing as a shopper, I asked them all the same question. "I am going to America to study, I need some winter clothing and I really haven't got anything. Can you recommend what I need please?" Not once did the sales assistants inquire if I was going to somewhere sub-tropical like Hawaii or Florida (winter temperatures in Honolulu and Miami rarely fall below 15 degrees) or somewhere with bitterly cold winters like Chicago or Anchorage where winter temperatures can fall below -30 degrees. But no, they just assumed that oh because I am going to America, it is going to be extremely cold and started recommending that I basically must buy everything they are selling. I wonder how many Singaporean shoppers actually fall for this?
Will you be seeing snow this winter?

As explained in my previous post, it is extremely important to pack correctly - if you turn up in Florida when you have packed for Alaska or Illinois, then you're going use only a tiny fraction of the winter clothing you have bought. You will be carrying very heavy bags (with stuff you don't need at all), not to mention the fact that you've just wasted a lot of money on winter clothing that you never needed in the first place! As I persisted with the sales assistants, asking them more questions, one of them said, "some people feel the cold more than others, so if you are not sure whether or not you will feel the cold, then better to be prepared just in case lah, because you don't want to suddenly realize oh dear I still feel cold after putting everything on and not have enough winter clothing. You can also encounter cold waves, when the weather suddenly become a lot colder than normal." I would like to deal with that sales pitch.

Firstly, you will have a pretty good idea about how you experience the cold. You know your body well, so you are unlikely to get it wrong when it comes to dressing correctly as long as you have done your homework by obtaining the right information. Always listen to your body. The only reason why people would suddenly feel very cold despite wearing many layers is when they are unwell or extremely tired - this can happen during long haul travel if your body clock is so messed up and you can't get enough sleep. The remedy however, is not more winter clothing, but simply to give your body the time to rest and recover. Do not be too ambitious if you have barely had any sleep the night before, allow your body the rest it needs, make sure you get some exercise after a very long flight, do not skip meals and make sure you stay hydrated. A lot of this is just common sense really, something these shop assistants seem to lack.
Braving the cold in Croatia

Secondly, cold snaps are highly unlikely - the coldest temperature recorded in London is -16.1 degrees but on average, it barely ever dips below zero in winter, with temperatures hovering around 3 to 6 degrees. Now there's a huge difference between -16 and 6 degrees, but really you should be preparing for average conditions, not extreme conditions. And if a cold front is going to hit (however unlikely), then you will have at least a few days warning and that's enough time for you to go shopping for whatever extra winter clothing you will need when it hits. One shop assistant even referred me to this chart on the wall of the shop (which she swore justifies her 'very good advice'):
Thermal underwear at 18 degrees - are you mad?!

You can double click on the photo above to maximize it to read it even more clearly, but I couldn't believe what I saw - it recommended wearing Long Johns (thermal underwear) with a sweater and coat at temperatures up to 18 degrees. That is just unbelievably stupid. Maybe if you were a very old lady running a high fever, then yeah you would dress like that - but I wouldn't ask anyone to wear thermal underwear unless the temperature was at least below zero and I never wear it unless I am spending a very long period of several hours out in the cold. Overdressing at such temperatures will lead to a heat rash, extreme discomfort and you will end up stripping off all the excess layers you don't need and carrying it around with you like an idiot. At 15 degrees, I would wear trousers, a T-shirt and maybe a light long sleeved top and that is more than enough. My only conclusion is that this chart is to con ignorant shoppers into spending far more than they should in that shop.

I hate to say this because it is going to sound incredibly condescending, but it needs to be said: as I had my conversations with these sales assistants and asked them about everything from snow to windchill to frostbite, one thing became pretty clear. Despite working in a winter wear shop, few of them have ever actually seen snow and none of them had any significant experience with winter weather to speak of (5 days in Shanghai in October does not count dear, I'm sorry). I did some research: a typical job in retail like working as a shop assistant doesn't pay much at all. I'm sorry for stating the obvious - these jobs are highly unlikely to attract people who can go for a skiing holiday in Austria. You may be lucky enough to encounter a shop manager who is paid more and is more likely to be able to afford a proper winter holiday, but it suffices to say that you are seriously barking up the wrong tree in asking these people for advice on winter wear. You may be speaking to someone who has never ever seen snow apart from on TV. You are far better seeking advice online from people who have actually spent many winters in cold countries!
Limpeh skiing in Austria

It all sounds terribly negative so far, so let me move on to one positive point: there is quite good variety available actually and I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is cheap, but at least there is something to suit shoppers with every kind of budget. So if you just want to spend as little as possible to get the bare minimum, you can do that - or if you prefer to get something that looks nice, it wouldn't break the bank either. So if you know what you want and need, you can actually shop in Singapore and get what you want, you don't need to shop abroad. So the bottom line is this, my blog is a good place to start: read up on the issue of winter clothing here before you go shopping and never ask the shop assistants for help. Do not be lazy, spend some time doing some reading - taking the advice of the shop assistants is simply not a viable or sensible option.

So that's it from me on this issue. We're still in mid-September but autumn is upon us and winter will be here in the UK before you know it. Have you tried shopping for winter clothing in Singapore? If have any thoughts about shopping for winter clothing in Singapore, please do leave a comment below and let's talk about it. Many thanks for reading.



22 comments:

  1. The winter clothes sold by specialist shops here are dire. Wouls not be caught dead in them! I prefer shopping for winterwear at Zara, Gap or Uniglo for basics.

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  2. hello mr limpeh, with your knowledge and experience with the uk and sg education system i would like for you to consider to answer this question!
    NUS and NTU has had an spike in their world education rankings.It has always puzzled me-it seems incredulous that we are being ranked above yale and cornell. I have never felt like it was a world-class education though for the 3+ yeaes ive spent there - just seemed like the same kind of being bludgeoned with work like junior college.Also i doubt it is the first uni to come to mind when people discuss prestigious universities overseas,LOL.

    Im guessing it is probably spending lots of money on good research profs. I hardly feel like I would be on par with an ivy league graduate. I feel the NUS had killed my joy in learning instead of enhancing it,lol.

    I find myself pondering if the rise in rankings make it easier for me to work overseas- even though i know very well it isnt the only factor.I major in pharmacy, which is kind of specialized profession and not exactly in high demand in the west ( from what i read my sources may be unreliabke or at least the places i want to work in ( USA )

    thank you for reading.

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  3. hello mr limpeh, with your knowledge and experience with the uk and sg education system i would like for you to consider to answer this question!
    NUS and NTU has had an spike in their world education rankings.It has always puzzled me-it seems incredulous that we are being ranked above yale and cornell. I have never felt like it was a world-class education though for the 3+ yeaes ive spent there - just seemed like the same kind of being bludgeoned with work like junior college.Also i doubt it is the first uni to come to mind when people discuss prestigious universities overseas,LOL.

    Im guessing it is probably spending lots of money on good research profs. I hardly feel like I would be on par with an ivy league graduate. I feel the NUS had killed my joy in learning instead of enhancing it,lol.

    I find myself pondering if the rise in rankings make it easier for me to work overseas- even though i know very well it isnt the only factor.I major in pharmacy, which is kind of specialized profession and not exactly in high demand in the west ( from what i read my sources may be unreliabke or at least the places i want to work in ( USA )

    thank you for reading.

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    1. Hello Emily and thanks for your question.

      My friend has observed that the ranking is swayed by two factors: the higher ratio of international students (which isn't necessarily a good thing per se - foreign students usually pay more than local students, so that's a business decision to woo students who will pay more fees, rather than are necessarily of a higher calibre) - and then there's the other factor, it discriminates against a lot of universities who do not use language as the primarily language of instruction. Think of all the universities in Asia and Europe who do not teach in English.

      And if NUS/NTU was really that fantastic, then why are Singaporean companies and even the government still sending their top scholars abroad instead of educating them locally?

      And no the rankings have zero impact on your ability to work abroad - it all depends on the supply & demand of pharmacists in the country you wanna work in. I hope you will find a nice country that you like with an acute shortage of pharmacists. It boils down to that, really. The rankings of NUS/NTU have no impact whatsoever in that process at all.

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    2. For further reading Emily: http://www.jeraldinephneah.me/2015/09/local-universities-ranking.html

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    3. Hello Emily, I see you did pharmacy in NUS. I happened to have done the same in the last century. While the studies were really meh, the university activities with friends and my own choice to intern in various industries (from retail pharmacy, wholesale to ad agencies!) was entirely eye opening. Even managed to squeeze in long backpacking trips to the middle east and North Africa in the process. So, I wouldn't say that NUS killed learning fun per se but how you chose to make things more tolerable.

      Just to be clear, studying pharmacy in no way determine what you will eventually end up doing. I have done my fair share of job experience from sales, retail, hospitals (I gatecrashed into A&E and ICU and refused to do typical pharmacy work behind a counter) to marketing and PR comms. Now I had gone full circle into clinical research management. The world is your oyster, the possibilities is endless but you need to have the imagination and the guts to try something different and not get boxed in. One advantage of doing pharmacy is that your network of friends and colleagues in multiple industries is vast. I do hope you made full use of those.

      Being from NUS will not make you any less on par with Ivy League Uni or any less employable in overseas. As Alex wrote, it is a demand and supply case. I got paid to do my specialisation in US and after finishing out the bond, I promptly hopped onto a media and PR firm where I was based all over China HK and Taiwan where working knowledge of Chinese and dialects came in very very useful in connecting to people. I was also fortunate that clients (mainly global MNCs) needed someone who could turn complex techy staff into lay patient language both in English and Chinese, so I simply hopped onto the opportunity bandwagon. One client ended up recommending me to fill a subsequent job opening in her company.

      Sure, it will be hard to get work in the US or Australia as a practising pharmacist - you will need to do a conversion and intern all over again to be a registered pharmacist but there are plenty of other jobs that you can consider where a pharmacy / healthcare background will value add but does not require you to be a state registered RPh. You just have to try to sell how your experience will contribute to your potential new employer.

      My advice is for you to maintain your network, look out for possibilities and do not be afraid to step out of the comfort zone. My first big switch was from working in a public hospital A&E / ICU and having a nice sales rep informing me about a job opening in a PR and media firm that is venturing into healthcare. Took that risk and went into a completely different field. Sure, you will also crash and bang along the way but its worth the price if you want to experience something different. The rest will naturally follow suit.

      Good luck.

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  4. 15 degrees in HK and Taipei and i was running around in shorts and t-shirt. Of course the ladies wear their thigh highs with leggings to look good but i was pretty ok without proper winter wear. From 0-10 degrees in Shanghai i need another extra jacket to keep warm. As long as there is no windchill it is not cold but that almost never happens during winter. Below 0 until -15 degrees it's just many many layers. The main problem is that i can never keep my ears, feet and hands warm and i don't really care if my body is warm as i still feel miserable. The locals don't seem to have this problem as they have better circulation in their extremities due to adaptation to a temperate climate.

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    1. Yup, that's me as well 15 degrees here now and I am still wearing very little. I think that shop which is trying to persuade their shoppers to wear Long Johns at 18 degrees is just totally dishonest.

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    2. I don't think that the locals have better adaptation in their circulation systems - they are just better prepared for winter and they know their extremities will get cold, so they know what to do. Humans simply do not evolve that quickly (within a lifetime) to adapt to different climatic conditions. Such is the science.

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    3. Maybe 15 degrees in a room without any movement you could feel cold real fast. But that is Singapore with our freezing cold indoor air-conditioning. My Japanese and Shanghai colleagues all commented that the air-con in Singapore is just to cold. When you are out and about walking in 10-15 degrees weather you won't really feel cold but instead refreshed.

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  5. Hi Limpeh,
    Previously, when I was shopping for winter clothing for a trip to Taiwan during November, the shop assistant recommended me to purchase long johns! In the end we purchased some Icebreaker tops and leggings. They worked well except that our legs felt quite cold at the top of the mountains (about 3 degree Celsius). Do you have any tips on how to keep the legs warm? Thanks!

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    1. Hi there, I don't think Long Johns are necessary for 3 degrees unless you intend to spend an extended period outdoors (eg. camping or working outdoors). It completely depends on your choice of activity - so for example, I once had to door an outdoor shoot at about 3 degrees and it meant a lot of sitting around in the cold, waiting around, etc. Then yeah I would wear an inner layer (jogging leggings) to keep my legs warm but the crucial part of this process is to keep your FEET warm, that means decent socks. You need thick socks for that (or double up) and never let your feet get wet.

      Usually, it is your extremities that get cold first - hence hands (esp fingers), feet (esp toes), head (esp ears) etc - so it is so vital to protect your extremities (good gloves, socks and hats). This is due to circulation, the extreme ends of our bodies are usually the ones that get cold first. So simply getting up and doing a brisk walk, jogging a little, something to force your heart to beat faster will raise the circulation quickly in the short run and you will feel the difference between walking leisurely (normal circulation) and some exertion (increased circulation).

      For further reading: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/q-do-you-need-boots-if-youre-coming-to.html

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  6. Hi Alex, been off a while, glad to be back! Lol, I just realised I got limpehbedded onto your blog photo holding up a clearly Chinese package outside a winter wear store in a 100% tropical equatorial island. Fierce!

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    1. And that's me with a bubble tea in my shorts... Congratulations! You've been Limpehbedded (erm, that's a new term...) You join the exclusive club of Kevin Jang who has also been Limpehbedded (check him out on my vlog as well)!!

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  7. Hi Limpeh, do you have any advice for women's bottom winter wear for minus 10 degree? The online articles and the shops recommend getting ski pants but I thought it is too ugly and an overkill. Any advice for some fashionable wear?

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    1. Hi YK, -10 isn't that cold to be honest, it depends on what kind of activities you have planned. If you are planning to do just sightseeing in the city, then wear some leggings underneath your jeans and you'll be perfectly fine. If you intend to spend extended period outdoors (skiing, hiking, camping), then you need ski pants. May I ask you what your plans are?

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  8. Hello lim peh. I totally agree with you on the winter wear. I am going to finland and artic for aurora hunting this early december and also hopping between some north europe country like sweden, norway, denmark etc. I am very nervous on how to pack my winter clothes, last cold climate I survive was roughly 7 years ago when studying in edinburgh 2 years ago, after that hardly went go any place which is snowing therefore I wonder if my shopping list is sufficient.

    1. Shell (Down Jacket) - bought 7 years ago from universal traveller (they acclaim can stand to negative 30) but i still cold when i am over there especially when strong wind blows.

    2. Snow fleece jacket (uniqlo)

    3. My mother super thin and light heattech uniqlo jacket

    4. Some wool or cashmere long sleeves I had long ago.

    5. Some fashion knitted turtle neck long sleeves shirt.

    6. For bottoms, a pair of thermal long john leggings. (long john?) I wonder if the heat tech extra warm leggings can work as well as my friend recommend me to get one.

    7. Then a waterproof thermal plants (uniqlo)

    8. Wool socks and a ski gloves.

    There are many shopping options in Tao Bao some really cheap but I doubt if it works. And I am worry on the shoe ..... cant find any shoes or winter boots in singapore.

    I would be happy if you could provide me some advise.

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    1. Dear Bean Beansprout,

      Good grief. You're going on holiday to Finland, but are you going to sleep outdoors in the snow? No you're not. You already have too much in your list, it sounds like you are getting ready to sleep in the snow (or have you forgotten to book a hotel?) - I would leave out no. 6 (no no no to long johns) and if you already have the rest, then fair enough but don't buy anything else. It's too much already. I repeat, WAY TOO MUCH.

      As for shoes: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/q-do-you-need-boots-if-youre-coming-to.html

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    2. Thank you for your reply as we are doing free and easy and most activities plan are outdoor like (waiting northern nights outside at night or do some aurora hunting) so me and my hubby are more anxious than ever. May I ask a further question how many pair of clothing we need to bring for say 20 days trip. My hubby keep arguing with me that the inner wear and socks need to change daily and the sales person also ask him to buy more for exchange. But last time my Ang mo Friend like never change their clothes and say just one piece of the above is fine. What is your thoughts?

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    3. A few points for you:

      1. There's no point in waiting outside for the Northern Lights to appear - you need to join a tour; these are experts with the most high tech equipment who will be able to accurately predict exactly where the Northern Lights will appear and armed with that information, they will drive you to exactly where you can get the best view. It's like a rainbow appearing in the sky - just because you can see the rainbow in say Bishan, doesn't mean you can see it in Yishun: you need to be in Bishan to see that particular rainbow. So just sitting around outdoors all night hoping for it to happen isn't gonna help - join a Northern Lights tour, just pay for it and you will be rewarded with a good experience. And the bus they drive you around is going to be very warm, so that's why you should have layers you can take off easily when in the bus.

      2. I have already warned you in this article (did you read it?) that the sales person's job is to make money for the shop - so of course they are going to tell you information that will persuade you to spend more money there.

      As for inner wear, I would change my socks daily (just get like 3 pairs, you can wash & dry them easily in the hotel) And hygiene is an issue - because most Singaporeans make the mistake of wearing waaaay too much and they end up too hot, they sweat a lot and that means their clothes sweaty and dirty. The solution is simple: wear enough but not too much, so you won't sweat like mad.

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    4. My latest article for your reference: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/hand-warmers-heat-packs-dont-be-silly.html

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    5. Dear Lim Peh,

      Thank you and your advise really helps!!! And I trust i am all ready to get off ~~ Woohooo.

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