Friday, 10 July 2015

What the hell are you doing in London then, Gary?

Hi! Remember not so long ago, I found a racist Singaporean student at Exeter University? Now I have found another right here in London - his name is Gary Tay and he really seems to hate London. Allow me to cut and paste what he wrote on TOC's Facebook page (on a piece comparing the London Underground system with Singapore's MRT): 

Gary Tay Living in london for 2 years now and using the tube for work, the number of times it broke down in unspeakable. Today total tube down due to 24hr strike, unions here just don't give a f' about commuters. Sections of the tube can be down for months at a time (trains just pass them). Also it costs SGD$10 ~$30/day and about S$10/trip if you don't use their day card. (Seriously not worth what you pay for) During rush hour the tube stations closes entrances and herd people (from one entrance) to the ticketing booth, a queue that goes 10-15mins. Nobody gives up their seat. Rubbish everywhere. Also, suicide, stabbings and crazy stuff happen at such a regular basis it's not even news anymore.  At one point i even saw a guy pee onto the seat and walked away.... nothing to say... Weirdly it seem to break down every other day in London too. Guess it's just perspective. I'm not defending SMRT, but we should not be comparing to London, try Taipei or MTR, which does have a rather impressive system similar to SG. without the huge CEO pay...

So, please allow me to deal with his points to see if the liar Gary Tay has been lying or exaggerating.
London Underground trains, aka 'the tube'

Breakdowns do happen once in a while, that is inevitable with a system that has 270 stations, over 400 km of track and is 152 years old. The system is used by about 3 million commuters a day (with the figure reaching an all time record of 4.4 million during the 2012 Olympics). Now Gary seems to think that he is the only one affected when trains break down - I have news for you, it's not just you Gary, when any one line is disrupted, the journeys of thousands, even millions of commuters are affected and delayed. If the system was really as bad as Gary makes it out to be - "unspeakable" or "break down every other day" - then the sensible thing for millions of commuters would be to turn to alternatives: using buses, working from home, moving into town so they can walk to work, cycling, buying a car etc. But the fact that over 3 million people continue to depend on the system daily tells you that whilst the system isn't great, it is still fit for purpose and certainly not "unspeakable". 

Sections of the tube network can be down for a while if stations are in need of upgrading work - take my local station Tottenham Court Road for example which is undergoing a major redevelopment at the moment. Tottenham Court Road station was first built way back in 1900 - I would like you to cast your minds back over 100 years and think about the design of the original station when it was first built then. In order for it to be incorporated into the latest Crossrail network, needless to say, this underground station has to undergo major redevelopment work. As a result, central train trains did not stop at Tottenham Court Road station whilst the station was rebuilt to integrate the exist tube system to this new Crossrail project. It is not a matter of building a few new escalators and lifts, but in fact one of the most major transport infrastructure projects in London, turning Tottenham Court Road into a major central London interchange station with direct links to commuter towns far and beyond London. So Gary, let's put things in perspective here. Would you rather the London transport system remain as it was designed back in 1900, with no upgrades, no modernization, no new lines and no improvements? Get real here. In any case, if I can't get off at Tottenham Court Road on the central line, I'd just get off one station before or after, with both stations being a very short walk away.
Upgrading works will result in some delays

The cost of your journey on the London underground network will vary with the distance you travel. Gary claims: Also it costs SGD$10 ~$30/day and about S$10/trip if you don't use their day card. (Seriously not worth what you pay for) Now that's blatantly a lie. Gary, I know the London tube system is more expensive than Singapore's MRT, but why do you have to resort to telling blatant lies like that to make a point? Now the prices I am quoting you are taking from the Transport For London website here, let's look at the adult prices for the London tube network, bearing in mind the current exchange rate is about £1 to S$2.08.With my Oyster Card (the equivalent of SMRT's EZ Link card), a single journey within zone 1 costs £2.30, so if you're taking two journeys a day (to and from work within central London), that would cost £4.60 or S$9.56 - but this is when it gets a bit more fuzzy. The prices for off-peak travel drops dramatically to discourage people from traveling during peak hours and so for example, you can get from zone 6 into zone 2 for just £1.50 during off peak. As you can see, it's really not that expensive. Besides, not everyone works in zone 1 and has to commute into or via zone 1 so Gary's calculations are based on someone who is living really very far away and insisting on traveling into and out of central London during peak hours. Perhaps that is indeed his situation, but he shouldn't assume that all other Londoners have that same arrangement when it comes to their commuting patterns.

Furthermore, there is the daily price cap with our Oyster Card system: it is a really convenient money saver. It means that once you have hit your daily price cap on your Oyster Card, no more money will be deducted from your card as long as you stay within the zones you have already traveled in. This is automatically calculated on the system and the prices are very reasonable: so the off-peak price cap for Oyster Card users in zone 1 central London is just £6.40 - so I don't know where the hell Gary has picked the figure of S$10/trip from. Perhaps if you were going a very long distance, from zone 1 to 6 during peak hour, then the cost of your journey can exceed £5 or S$10 - but bear in mind that's a really long, epic journey that most London commuters do not take. There is a comprehensive (if not complicated) price list on the TFL website that will guide you to the right ticket to buy and if you require a season ticket, then make sure you study it carefully to get the cheapest ticket. It seems that Gary is either deliberately trying to mislead you Singaporeans with his blatant lies or he needs Limpeh's guide to London's public transport system. 
Gary also claims, "During rush hour the tube stations closes entrances and herd people (from one entrance) to the ticketing booth, a queue that goes 10-15mins." Duh Gary, as if MRT stations don't get crowded during rush hours? Look, tube stations will close some entrances temporarily to regulate the flow of human traffic between the entrance and the train platforms - it is a sensible health & safety precaution to take to prevent overcrowding at platform level if say, there are delays on the network. It is always safer to keep people waiting outside the station (where they can contemplate alternative routes home, by taking the bus or a different train) than to simply let even more people into the station when you already know that there is major overcrowding at the platforms. This is the kind of health & safety precaution that would also be taken in Singapore, should there be a similar situation of platform overcrowding. 

What Gary also neglects to mention is that most commuters never ever go to a ticketing booth: instead, we use a machine where we can do all of the transactions we require. That is exactly the same situation with MRT stations in Singapore - most commuters simply use the ticket machines. It seems the only people who go to a ticket booth are dumb tourists who simply do not trust themselves to use one of those ticket machines or the elderly who are afraid of technology. So if you really want to buy a ticket from a human being, you can - but what tends to happen is that staff are deployed to stand around the ticket machines so they can assist customers if they are not quite sure how to use the machines to purchase the ticket they need. This is far more efficient than opening up more ticket booths when there are already so many ticket machines. In fact, we can even use our British bank cards (debit/credit cards) with contactless technology to conveniently swipe in and out of tube stations, so we do not even need to buy a ticket.
Over 3 million people the tube in London everyday

Gary goes on to claim, " Nobody gives up their seat. Rubbish everywhere.Also, suicide, stabbings and crazy stuff happen at such a regular basis it's not even news anymore" Well Gary, I have news for you. That's the same situation in Singapore - my elderly parents have to stand on the MRT as none of the Singaporeans will offer them a seat. That's the situation in Singapore these days - commuters have their noses buried in their smartphones and they don't even look up to see the frail little old lady struggling to stand. Rubbish everywhere? Whilst we don't have draconian laws to deal with litterbugs in the UK, the situation really isn't that bad and no, I don't think the trains are overflowing with litter. Singaporean trains are somewhat cleaner, but this is when you fall into the Singaporean trap whereby you convince yourself that you must allow the PAP to control every single aspect of your life; that without draconian laws to punish even the most petty crimes, civilization as we know it will someone fall apart and society will cease to function. Erm no, it doesn't work like that - I won't die of some kinda nasty Ebola style virus if I come across a piece of litter on my journey, it's really not such a big deal. I won't let the sight of some litter ruin my day.

As for suicides, that's a very tragic issue we're talking about here. It is about someone who is taking his/her own life in public, probably in a last ditch attempt to cry for help and draw attention to the situation s/he is in. Yet Gary dismisses it has 'crazy stuff' that is not even news anymore - what kind of cold hearted bastard is he? Should Gary ever be driven to suicide one day, how would he feel if we all just rolled our eyes and dismissed it as 'crazy stuff' that is not even news? And as for stabbings, that's serious shit, that's somebody being seriously injured in an attack - again, no compassion from Gary? Is that all just 'crazy stuff' in his eyes? And just to prove to you that it's Gary Tay who's so cold hearted (and not British society). There was a double suicide on London's Ealing Broadway station recently here's a list of the many articles in British news media to prove to you that we do care about suicides and that only a cold hearted fucker like Gary Tay would dismiss this as "crazy shit". No, that just makes Gary a great big fat fucking liar.
Mother and daughter double suicide: June 2015: London Metro
Earling Broadway deaths were mother and daugher: Huffington Post UK
Mother was 36, daughter was 16: Daily Mail UK
Double fatality at Ealing Broadway: The Guardian
Woman and daughter killed by train: The Independent
Mother and daughter hit by train: The Telegraph

Well fuck you Gary, just because you dismiss tragic suicides like that as "crazy stuff" doesn't mean the rest of us in the UK are that cold hearted as to not even talk about it in the news: when a mother and a daughter kill themselves by jumping in front of a train it is news you fucking Singaporean fucktard. If you hate the UK so much, then kindly fuck off back to Singapore and be with your beloved Singaporeans - just don't tell such fucking blatant racist lies about British you fucking stupid piece of little Singaporean shit. Oh and its gets better. Gary said, "At one point i even saw a guy pee onto the seat and walked away.... nothing to say..." Well guess what Gary? You missed the story of the woman who took a shit in an MRT station in full view of the public. You only encountered a man having a pee but the Singaporeans beat that by taking a shit (and pee, presumably, you tend to pee as well when you shit) in public. Check this article out! Yup there's even a picture of that woman's bum and the shit on the floor. I guess that happened whilst you were in London Gary, you better keep in touch with the news from back home. You really need to read Limpeh's blog more often then, Gary!
Oh expect to see a lot more signs like this in Singapore!

As for the 24 hour strike today, yes the unions don't give a fuck about commuters and that is a problem of the system but strikes don't happen often. When strikes do happen, employers are usually very flexible with their workers - often allowing them to either stagger their working hours to fit around their journey or simply allowing them to work from home. I know that Singaporeans have this stupid habit of freaking out the moment they hear the word 'strike' but really, calm down folks - it's not such a big deal. It's not like there are riots in the streets and there's mayhem and chaos everywhere hardly. It just means that some people have to take the bus instead of the tube to work and as a result, their journey may take a bit longer. Duh. That's all. It's not such a fucking big deal so calm the fuck down. Am I trying to defend the London underground system? No, I don't use it much because I prefer cycling as a means to commuting - it is faster and cheaper, as long as the weather is okay, it is a pretty nice way to get around town. It is not great, then again, it isn't the complete train wreck of a disaster that Gary is say it is. IMHO, it is okay, it is kinda expensive but it works well enough for millions of Londoners to depend on it daily to get around. Sure improvements can be made, but can you find me a metro-train system around the world that is perfect and doesn't need improvements? At least the men on the London tube at good looking - I just can't imagine there ever being a Singaporean version of tube crush. No, there's definitely more eye candy in London!

But my final point is simple: if Gary hates London so fucking much then he would go on Facebook to kao-beh-kao-bu to other Singaporeans about London and Londoners, then I have a simple solution: FUCK OFF back to Singapore. Go on, you know your way to Singapore. What the fuck are you doing here in London if you're so fucking miserable? If London is such a fucking miserable place, then you must be a total fucking retard in staying here when you can easily return to your beloved Singapore any time you want. Don't stay here and then complain to Singaporeans on social media about how much better Singapore is - just go back to Singapore already and if you want to make comparison, fine but don't fucking lie. Don't be a fucking liar and spread lies on social media like the two faced dog you are. Buay song? Then feel free to leave a comment for Limpeh below, let me know your thoughts. Many thanks for reading.

19 comments:

  1. Sounds like another Singaporean who is maladjusted outside of Singapore, and decides to compare apples to oranges. No one ever claims that it is a bed of roses abroad, and when you finally succeed in settling in, it becomes an experience worth it. I suspect that this might have to do with the way Singaporeans are mostly brought up to see the world outside as a terribly unsafe world and inferior to Singapore (that silly uninformed mentality of "Singapore is still the best") when they have barely stepped out and then when they do eventually step out, they cannot help but see everywhere else as inferior. Well, he definitely has to pack his bags and leave if he dislikes a place, because it will always come across beyond social media even in the way he interacts with others.

    On the flipside, how did he even get his comment posted on The Online Citizen, when it focuses on Singaporean news mostly? That is a sign that his mind is not on the right track by posting something tangential.

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    1. The comment was taken from TOC's Facebook page. I stumbled upon it in my FB newsfeed - I followed TOC mostly for their unbiased reporting on issues like the Amos Yee trial.

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  2. Another idiot who wants to paint a dim picture of life in the West. Why is he working in London then? So annoying. As for the union workers not caring about commuters --- I seriously doubt if the SMRT workers care about the communters as well. It's just that they do not have the power to go on strike for better working conditions. Take Singapore teachers for example. There has been no strikes in the history of the teachers' union that I know of. We have one almost every 5-10 years. It's not that we care less than Singapore teachers. It's that we dare to fight for better conditions. Unions in Singapore are just in name only. I don't like strikes myself, but Gary seems very self-absorbed and quite unable to see beyond his orchid paradise called Singapore. As I have told that other guy who complained on Quora --- Ibrahim? --- balik kampung! Btw, a lot of people were upset by my response to Ibrahim. Too bad.

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    1. Hi Di.

      It's not like I want to defend the London Underground system - it's far from perfect and the fact that I choose to cycle rather than use the tube system should tell you how I feel about it. Fortunately, most places I have to get to for work are within a max 20 mins cycle (leisurely - 15 minutes if I go faster or don't meet any red lights) But Gary went out of his way to exaggerate his points and telling blatant lies along the way - the fact is, we had a tube strike in London the same day the MRT system in Singapore had its worst breakdown in history. It's hardly a good comparison, both systems are imperfect and subject to failure - but the bottom line is, if Gary seriously thinks that Singapore is so much better: then please, I invite him to fuck off back to Singapore.

      Sudah balik kampung already lah!

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    2. I think the Topgear London race proved that the bicycle is the fastest way to get thru during peak hours. Even a speedboat beat out the car in the race.

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  3. Kevin, Di, that complaint is the classical Singaporean way of cherry picking what is no good and making a mountain out of it and trying to say how much better Sg is - without realising that the context is different. It works only because the intended audience - daft Singaporeans - also do not question and verify.

    Update:Social media users have responded to Gary Tay's put down of London's tube and majority have attempted to put it in context and called out that his comment was out of sync. TOC has also put up a pretty nice comparative info that Tube vs MRT is like on totally different scales. Almost like saying that Viktoria Komova is way better than Nadia Comaneci if they face each other head on now on the vault, bar and floor.

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    1. I like the gymnastics reference, LOL.

      Nadia was waaaay ahead of her time when she performed skills that no one thought female gymnasts were capable of back in the 1970s - she was an innovator and pioneer in gymnastics, even if her skills may seem relatively simple compared to what the gymnasts do today. Thus maybe in 30 years, people will look back at Komova's routines and think, LOL was that is? She represented Russia at the Olympics with that kinda routine?

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    2. Oh well, you are the gymnast, thought that would strike a note. I kind of only know Comaneci, Simone Biles, Mary Lou Retton and Khorkina and Komova. Komova I knew of as I watched her getting the silver in the London Olympics all round and felt she was more deserving of gold rather than Gaby Douglas but then that's me as an amateur. Comaneci in the 70s would have been way way ahead of her time,so it would not be fair saying that Komova's skills would blow her away. The way Gary Tay was implying, a lot of responders were pissed and retorted him with the facts, so kudos to them. That's the beauty of social media, you just can't get away with saying outright lies over a ridiculous comparison.

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  4. My question is, with that "London and Londoners suck" attitude which is conducted on a sweeping basis, how did he even get that job in London? It would have come across in interviews or even company transfer interviews. I do not know much about the London Tube beyond my visit in 2007, but it is a comprehensive system and arguably older than the SMRT. The SMRT broke down in less than 25 years, unlike the London Tube which is by far way older, and this is a sign that more will come in the next few years for the SMRT. Gary seems to be ignorant of this.

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    1. Kev, it may be an internal transfer within the company - it is possible that the company Gary worked for transferred him from his post in Singapore to a position in London, thus allowing him to bypass any kind of job interview process. The London Underground is 152 years old.

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    2. The one thing about a lot of Singaporeans (or the worse lot being the 'Sinkies') is that many of them hide behind a particular online identity, and then, some even go to the extent of swearing vulgarities, cursing and threatening to commit violence and other things against others who do not agree with them online, and all these do not get addressed anyway, since they are hiding behind a screen identity and they think that they are free to go ahead and make all those threats while complaining to their fill. Civil society, eh?

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    3. From time in my previous company, the UK internal transfer system is mostly not permanent. It is used for skills transfer or to temporarily fill in a position until a local staff can be hired. That is unless he is some highly paid foreign talent earning more than GBP150k a year then he can stay pretty much as long as he likes (but then i doubt it since he is taking the tube). So you don't have to worry about him, he will be returning to Singapore after another 1 to 3 years time.

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  5. No offence, but do you think u might be acting someone like Gary? No longer in singapore, the not a singaporean, very happily staying in london, but still talking about singapore almost a few times a week, and not always in a positive light 😁

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    1. Big difference Penny, big difference.

      I was pissed off with a) the nature of Singaporean society and b) the PAP.

      So I had the courtesy to piss off from Singapore and seek a better future elsewhere. That gives me the right to bitch about Singapore and if people want to listen to me bitch, then that's their choice - after 7.2 million hits on my blog (about half of which is from Singapore, the rest is from other countries), clearly people wanna hear what I have to say about Singapore.

      Gary doesn't like London and I told him to piss off back to Singapore - don't stay in London, go back to where you came from.

      I don't like Singapore and guess what... I have already pissed off and am now in London!

      Duh Penny. I am telling Gary to do what I did - to remove himself from a country/city which he is not happy with. If he is smart, he would follow my clever example.

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    2. If you do not like the city you live in, you leave. Gary hates London and thinks Singapore is better. He is not even a Brit. Hence, balik kampung. Bye, bye!

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    3. I know that you have moved out of Singapore, the very place that you detested, but well...it's almost like you're the acrimonious ex who can't let go. Still following her news diligently, writing about her several times a week....perhaps it's time to move on, and focus more on your current place of habitation instead?

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    4. Well Penny, allow me to explain it this way. I have always wanted to be a writer: I have always enjoyed writing since I was a kid and then at sec 2, I won this writing competition and my work was read by thousands, like not just in my school but all over Singapore and then that kinda made me want to be read. It's one thing to just write a diary that sits in a drawer that no one will ever read, but it's quite an ego trip (no other way to describe it) when you get so many people reading your writing. Then along the way, I have won quite a number of other writing competitions (both in Singapore and the UK) but it never quite led to a career as a writer or journalism (I pursued other things in life career wise) but y'know there's still a part of me that wants my writing to be read.

      I remember as a young child growing up in Singapore (look this was in the internet-era) and I had parents who were not very educated, extremely racist and had a very limited world-view on the world outside Singapore and there were times, as a young child, I just wish I had some one else to talk to about world events (fortunately, I had good teachers at school). And now that we have the internet, I am writing for kids like my younger self who are just seeking that alternative view.

      I don't know if you have seen the stats, but at 7.23 million views, I am currently ranked the 14th most influential blogger in Singapore and if you were to remove those who are 'group blogs' (ie. more than one contributor), I move up to 8th on that list. Thus this satisfy the part of me that wants to be read: and if Singaporeans (who contribute about 55% to 60% of the readership to my blog) want to read my writing, then you know what? I am happy to write for them, about topics that they know about because such is what defines the relationship between writer & reader.

      I have written articles about stuff that matters to me and have nothing to do with Singapore and I get like what, 80 people reading it? And then I write an article about Singapore and boom,. I get thousands of hits an hour. There is a commercial aspect to my writing as well (I contribute to other websites) and if I cannot command a certain volume of traffic with my writing, then no one will pay me to write - the figures are crucial if I were to try to capitalize on my readership.

      So you see Penny, that's a lot more that meets the eye than you think and I'll be writing more on that issue soon.

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  6. Thank you for your honesty. At least it sheds some light on why you keep talking about Singapore though u seem to dislike her. I wish you good luck in ur writing career

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    1. Hi Penny. Of course, I am honest lah, you can't be a writer and not have some level of honesty and integrity otherwise your readers will not respect you and give you credibility.

      I have a complex relationship with Singapore, it is not that I totally dislike her - there are certain aspects of Singapore that frustrates me that I detest, but whether I like it or not, I did spend the first 21 years of my life there and it has been a big part of my younger years.

      Besides, I am not just talking shit about Singapore on my blog - if you were to take the time to read a lot of my articles over the years, I do a lot of compare & contrast articles comparing the situation in Singapore to other countries and I am always very fair in my comparison: giving Singapore/the PAP credit where it is due. The fact is if I didn't do that, then my readers would desert me as I would have no credibility at all if I simply took a blanket anti-Singapore or anti-PAP stance.

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