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Exeter, where ICA currently lives |
Firstly, ICA wrote that, "having secured a place with a Solicitor's Firm, (I) will be working in England. Sadly this isn't my choice but those of my parents and I will say that I am not as happy as I would be back home in Singapore. " That left me rather puzzled to put it mildly. If he really wanted to return to Singapore and his parents really wanted him to work in England - why didn't he speak to his parents about his wishes and reach an amicable compromise? Does he not get a say in that decision? Surely at his age, he is now an adult capable of making informed decisions about his future - why is he allowing himself to be overruled by his parents, when he is clearly unhappy about the decision to work in England? If he really wants to return to Singapore, if that would really make him happier, then he should just do it. Otherwise, he can reach a compromise agreement with his parents, to work in England for say X number of years to secure some international credibility then he will return to Singapore.
ICA talks a lot about racism in the country and I must say, my experience has differed from his. I hardly faced any racism at all in this country and the one time when someone made a racist joke at work, I was able to take control of the situation by making an official complaint about them. My union got involved and I was offered a groveling apology by those two who pleaded ignorance. One of them was even crying her eyes out - I didn't think she was maliciously trying to be a nasty racist, she was just being plain stupid in thinking that a racist joke could be funny. The fact is, I was able to stand my ground and deal with the situation - I didn't just cry and run back to Singapore the moment I encountered racism: after all, you can't spend your life running away the moment you meet any kind of difficulty or problems. You really have to stand your ground sometimes and triumph over adversity by standing up for yourself.
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ICA alleges that he faced racism at his university |
ICA gave some pretty extreme examples of racism and I did cover this in an earlier blog post when I interviewed three people of ethnic minority who grew up in this country and experienced racism. And yes, they each encountered a lot more racism then I have over the years but we came to a conclusion that was pretty obvious: I had come to this country on a scholarship to a very good university and then managed to get a good job upon graduation. I have always had money. My wealth and my privileged position in society has effectively protected me from a lot of racism because I wouldn't have to live where poor people lived or do the kind of jobs that poor people do. There was a huge correlation between poverty and racism: the richer you are, the less likely you are to experience racism. The poorer you are, the more likely you are going to feel insecure, unsafe and experience not just racism: but all kinds of xenophobia, sexism, homophobia and discrimination. We are living in a material world, where money doesn't just talks - it directly determines the quality of your life. Hence a rich black or Asian person can have a very good life in the UK, whilst a poor white person living on a council estate will have a pretty miserable existence.
ICA speaks about "roving mob of English Defence League hooligans" who throw beer bottles at ethnic minorities: I think it is time for a geography lesson. England is a pretty big area (130,395 km2) of huge diversity: you have big cities and plenty of countryside and you have very prosperous areas where rich people live and quite nasty areas where the very poor people live. The kind of extreme right-wing racist anti-immigrant politics (EDL, BNP, UKIP) that ICA keeps talking about has taken root in areas of extreme deprivation in England: areas where the poorest of the poor live. When the local white people become so poor and desperate, it is easy and convenient for them to then turn on immigrants and non-white poeple, to make them the scapegoats for their poverty. Ironically, a lot of this xenophobia has mostly focused on Eastern Europeans from places like Poland, Romania and Bulgaria - migrants who are white, rather than black and Asian migrants. Did ICA even attempt to consider the complexity of the situation? No, he didn't.
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Eastern European migrants have caused unease amongst some Brits. |
From the way ICA has described his experiences of meeting roving mobs of EDL hooligans, it sounds like he living in a rather deprived inner city. I live in central London, I have one of the most desirable postcodes in all of England (W1) and I assure you that we certainly don't get hordes of roving EDL racist hooligans roaming the streets of Mayfair, Knightsbridge and Belgravia. No, because these are posh neighbourhoods where very rich people live. There is a huge difference between Mayfair and the nastiest English inner city ghettos. You don't need to be an expert on British geography to realize what that difference is. I'm sorry to hear that ICA is currently residing in a part of Exeter that unfortunately resembles an inner city ghetto a lot more than Mayfair, but let's be fair and realize that not all of England is anything like the dodgy area where ICA currently lives. Those of us who can afford it choose to live in much nicer areas where we can have a far more pleasant experience walking down the local high street.
I can see from ICA's Quora profile that he is a student at the University of Exeter. His university is ranked 19th on the league table for all UK law faculties - so it's okay, it's so-so, it isn't bad of course but then again, it is hardly impressive either. And if he wants to talk about the EDL in Exeter, well he is presenting a very one-sided story and misrepresenting the situation. In 2013, when the EDL tried to march through Exeter, they were massively outnumbered by a counter-demonstration, condemning the EDL. That is the reality of the situation: yes there are racists in Exeter in the form of the EDL - but the vast majority of the locals oppose the actions and attitudes of the EDL. Is ICA willing to accept that? No, he just wants to tell his Singaporean readers that white English people are evil and racist - but isn't ICA being incredibly racist against white people by trying to misrepresent English people in this way to Singaporeans then? Duh. Singaporeans can be incredibly racist towards white people too and this is a prime example.
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ICA is misrepresenting his university to Singaporeans. |
Is Singapore a safe place to live? Of course it is, but let's look at the root of the problem: money. Life is good for those in the UK for those who can afford to live in nice areas: is that any different from life in Singapore - where life is great for those who can afford to live in those futuristic looking condominiums, shop at the designer boutiques in Marina Bay Sands and dine at the finest restaurants in town. What about those who are living in ordinary HDB flats, having to complete with the influx of PRCs, Indian nationals and Filipinos and are struggling to make ends meet? By that token, Singapore's situation is pretty much the same as the UK's - in both countries, you need money to enjoy a good life and if you are not rich, then good luck to you. Such is the harsh reality that few people are willing to acknowledge. Besides, ICA is Malay and Muslim - if he returns to Singapore, he could still face discrimination at the hands of the Chinese majority in Singapore, it is a different kind of discrimination but perhaps one that he is more familiar with?
Certainly, we can make choices about the kind of people we choose to include in our social circles: if anyone used a racist, sexist or homophobic term in my presence, then that's it - I would cut them out of my social circle at once. Some years back, I had this colleague Ella who used a homophobic term on Facebook - it wasn't even directly at anyone in particular, but I instantly deleted her as a friend from Facebook and stopped talking to her. I didn't even feel the need to confront her and lecture her (the way some people might have felt compelled to) - I just thought, screw you Ella, you're ignorant and I have plenty of other friends, goodbye and get lost. I refused to let her homophobia and ignorance get me down, I simply cut her out of my life. ICA talks about 'friends' who are racist and extreme-right wing, who are xenophobic and say horrible things about immigrants and Muslims: erm hello? Don't you have any kind of quality control at all when it comes to whom you wish to have as your friends? Why are you even talking to these people in the first place? Look, we can't eradicate stupid, ignorant, racist, bigoted, nasty and xenophobic people from this country (and Singapore has her fair share of them too) but what we can do is to make sure that we exclude them as much as possible from our lives so we do not allow their ignorance to become our problem on a daily basis.
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Do you have any quality control when it comes to your friends? |
ICA wrote about his his experience in England, "As a Singaporean, from what I have seen or heard, I do not have the Freedom of Speech as my opinions are never valued." Oh dear ICA, I fear you have played the victim's card out of turn this time. If you want your opinions to be heard, if you want to be taken seriously by your audience, then you have to first learn to earn their respect before they will start listening to you. ICA is still a student at university and perhaps he expects some teacher to wade in and ensure that his classmates listen to him during group discussions - well he is in for a very rude shock when he starts work and has to deal with the complexities of office politics. Besides, even back in Singapore, what makes him think that people are going to respect his opinion and listen to him? Why, just because he is a Singaporean? No ICA, get real, it doesn't work like that in the real world: respect is earned, not demanded.
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Why should anyone listen to what I have to say then? |
I certainly face this all the time as a blogger - the fact that my blog is currently ranked 14th in Singapore is pretty incredible to me, after all, why should people want to listen to me and take the time to read what I have to say? Who am I to them? Why should they even take me seriously and value my opinion? Why should they read my blog and not the blogs of thousands of other Singaporeans out there who are also blogging? Quite simply, I earn the respect of my readers when I write well - as a blogger, I have to constantly monitor the traffic to my blog and I can see how some blog pieces can go viral and be read by thousands within hours whilst other pieces barely attract a few hundred views even after a month. This process is actually very democratic and is based entirely on meritocracy - the figures don't lie and they tell me exactly when I write well and when my writing is of no interest to the redaers.
If ICA wants those around him to value his opinion, then he has to look at the way he delivers his message. I can see from his blog piece that he is whiny and not very persuasive - he resorts to presenting a very worst case scenario to justify his point of view and plays the victim card from the start. Did he once take responsibility for his predicament? No, he blames everyone else: from his parents to his university to UKIP. How about this ICA: let me put this in plain English: you are a poor writer. Your English may be good but you have failed to put together a cogent argument because of the way you have presented a very one-sided argument. It surprises me that you are not any more persuasive despite the fact that you are a law student (which makes me think that a career in law probably isn't going to be suitable for you). ICA, it is time you actually took some responsibility, like an adult. This has absolutely nothing to do with your nationality but it has everything to do with the way you have failed to put together a convincing argument - trying to use your nationality as an excuse is just lame: no, you do not get to play the victim's card on this occasion.
As for ICA's other complaints, let me deal with them quickly. Expensive groceries: there are a whole range of supermarkets to cater for all budgets in the UK. You can spend over £5 on an organic salad from Waitrose or M&S, or you can spend under £1 on a bunch of vegetables from Lidl or Asda and make your own salad at home. How much you want to spend on your groceries is up to you and how is that any different from the situation in Singapore where you have supermarkets like Cold Storage catering for the higher end of the market to Sheng Siong, catering for the budget end of the market? As for "the lack of nightlife", that has probably more to do with the fact that ICA's university is in a town with a population of just 117,000. Now had he been in London (the population of the Metropolitan urban area of London is 13.6 million), then this wouldn't be an issue at all: he chose to study in a small town and he wants to complain about the lack of nightlife? Do you know the difference between a small town and a big city?
And as for his claim that it takes him 6 hours to get to London, that's complete bullshit. The fastest direct train from Exeter to London Paddington takes just 2 hours 8 minutes. How a 2 hour 8 minutes journey can turn into 6 hours is beyond me - I could even get to Brussels in Belgium in just 1 hour 55 minutes by train. Okay, I am sure that there have been instances where some kind of terrible major accident, where some serious signalling fault have left trains services severely delayed - but for ICA to try to portray those extreme situations as the norm is once again misrepresenting the situation to be far worse than it actually is. This is a big country and the trains are pretty decent.
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Public transport in the UK isn't as bad as ICA claims. |
As for ICA's comments that his friends want to move to Singapore, well allow me to offer you a different perspective on the issue as a person who has worked in many countries. I really don't think it matters what country you live in: the quality of your life depends primarily on your ability to find well-paid work. Take a rich country like Switzerland for example: there are poor Swiss people in Switzerland, unemployed people in Switzerland and Swiss people working dead-end jobs struggling to make ends meet in Switzerland. The fact that Switzerland is a very rich country doesn't impact on their personal wealth, it is not like the money is equally shared amongst all the citizens of the country. You don't move to another country to become richer - you move because you think you will be happier in that other country, but you had better have the skills and talent to find work there. Furthermore, ICA's English and Russian friends who move to Singapore are likely to face anti-Angmoh xenophobia and racism in Singapore which can prove to be a volatile cocktail of pressure in a severely overcrowded little island.
I note also from ICA's profile that he wishes to study medicine after he completes his law degree. That seems puzzling to say the least - if you genuinely want to study medicine, then what the hell are you doing studying law at Exeter university and then pursuing a career in law? Why is he wasting his parents' money like this then? The infamous Alvin Tan dropped out of NUS law school after he realized that he had no desire to pursue a career in law - at least he had the foresight to cut his losses when he realized that it was not what he wanted to do with his life. I say, good for Alvin for having the guts to do so. But ICA just comes across at best as a very confused, angry young man who doesn't even realize that he has contradicted himself in his article. He condemns life in England - yet he has not only chosen to study at an English university but also followed that up by choosing to work in England. What is going on here? If you are so patriotic about Singapore, if life in Singapore is so amazingly good, then why didn't you study at NUS law school like Alvin Tan and then pursue a career in Singapore then? What the hell are you doing in Exeter in the first place?
Now I understand that his parents wanted him to work in England - but action speaks louder than words. If you really feel that strongly about your cause, then you will fight for what you believe. Can ICA even try to stand up for himself? Certainly, he could have made a greater effort to convince his parents that he would be happier and more successful in Singapore if that is really what he wants - but did he actually try to challenge his parents' wishes? Let me give you two examples from my own family when it came to this: my late grandmother didn't like my mother at all when they first met. My father's family is Hakka and my mother is Hokkien - my late grandmother had expected my father to marry a Hakka wife and she was appalled by the idea of having a Hokkien daughter-in-law. Did my father dump my mother because of my late grandmother's initial objections? No he didn't - he cared enough about my mother, wanted to marry her badly enough to convince his mother that this was the woman for him, this was the woman he loved and was going to spend the rest of his life with. My grandmother wasn't happy but gave in eventually: my parents are still happily married today. My father stood up for what he believed in and stood his ground.
After I graduated from university in England, my parents had assumed that I would return to Singapore to find a job there - after all, my older siblings and cousins would be at hand to help open doors for me. But no, I believed that in the long run, I would be happier and more successful in England than in Singapore. So I found my first job without any help from my family and worked hard to prove that I could succeed in London - thus proving my parents wrong with my success. At the end of the day, actions speak louder than words. ICA's actions are directly contradicting his words. Imagine if a man kept telling you that brand A's coffee is much better than brand B's coffee and he goes out of his way to tell you how awful brand B's coffee is. Then you have a look at his kitchen and you realize that not only is he drinking brand B's coffee instead of brand A's coffee, you see that he has just ordered another year's supply of brand B's coffee. When a man's actions contradicts his words, the word hypocrite comes to mind - for all the anti-England pro-Singapore rhetoric that ICA is spouting, he's either a hypocrite or a coward (probably both) at the end of the day.
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"Don't drink the coffee that I keep drinking - it is awful..." |
Talk is cheap ICA, actions speak a lot louder than words. You can wax lyrical all you want about Singapore, you can condemn England all you want - but at the end of the day, you're still here and you have no plans to return to Singapore. Really, there is absolutely nothing to stop you from getting on that next plane back to Singapore if you are so bloody miserable in England. Go on, you know where Heathrow airport is. Please leave Exeter and go back to Singapore you hypocrite. ICA, you are a adult, you can choose what kind of life you want and I would encourage you to follow your heart and dreams if that is what will make you happy. However, given the way ICA has blamed everyone but himself thus far, I am sure he will find someone or something to blame if and when he returns to Singapore.
Finally, I had a look at the comments left on ICA's blog post. I would say that there are a number of people who have pointed out to him that Singapore can be an extremely racist country towards anyone who is non-Chinese, there were some who claimed that they had lived in the UK and had not experienced the kind of extreme racism that he had described. And then there are of course, the extremely racist Singaporeans who were so keen to spout their anti-Angmoh racist venom they had conveniently ignored the fact that ICA is a cowardly hypocrite who has no intention to return to Singapore any time soon and intends to work in England. Do I have any intention to contact ICA and speak to him directly? No, I had another idea: I have contacted his university since he has made allegations of racism about his university and that does impact upon his university's international reputation. Here is the email I have sent tonight:
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Let's see what ICA's university thinks about his blog. |
From: alex
liang
Sent: 30 April 2015 00:59
To: 'ssis-lawoffice@exeter.ac.uk'
Cc: 'k.m.c.blackmore@exeter.ac.uk'; 'ssis-admissions@exeter.ac.uk'; 'abuse@exeter.ac.uk'; 'intoff@exeter.ac.uk'; 'pressoffice@exeter.ac.uk'
Subject: Racist Singaporean student at Exeter university law school spreading hate speech online
To: 'ssis-lawoffice@exeter.ac.uk'
Cc: 'k.m.c.blackmore@exeter.ac.uk'; 'ssis-admissions@exeter.ac.uk'; 'abuse@exeter.ac.uk'; 'intoff@exeter.ac.uk'; 'pressoffice@exeter.ac.uk'
Subject: Racist Singaporean student at Exeter university law school spreading hate speech online
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to you because I wish to bring to your
attention a Singaporean student (Ibrahim Conrad Abdullah) at Exeter Law school
who wrote a hateful, racist blog piece about his life in England. In the piece,
he grossly misrepresented English society to be a vile and racist place and you
can read his blog piece here. https://www.quora.com/To-Singaporeans-who-emigrated-Are-you-happy-with-your-decision His quora profile can be found here: https://www.quora.com/Ibrahim-Conrad-Abdullah
Here are some of the things he has said in that piece:
The fabled "Freedom of Speech" the UK has works
wonderfully against foreigners, because they have the Freedom to denounce us
and spew hatred against our Muslim friends and our "chinky-chong religions"
(ie. Buddhism and Taoism). I have had English friends, initially friendly,
later 'converted' into believing that Asians are a blight on Britain because,
hey, "Freedom of Speech" given to the likes of the BNP and UKIP
supporters taught them so.
Back in Singapore, I didn't feel as if I had a lack of freedom
of speech. Quite frankly, I felt
free to walk the streets safe at night. I felt free to meet my friends wherever
and whenever and I felt free to know that a
roving mob of English Defence League hooligans wouldn't throw beer bottles at
us.
As a Singaporean, from what I have seen or heard, I do not have
the Freedom of Speech as my opinions are never valued. I do not have the freedom to walk the
streets at night safely knowing some herion junkie may make an attempt at my
wallet, and I do not have the freedom to feel safe from walking the streets in
the day time because the racist English Defence League have the "Freedom
of Speech" to "protest" (ie. Angry mob wrecking shops and
attacking anyone non-Aryan).
Throughout my 3 years in the UK, I have faced racism from the
University's student body and everyday Englishmen. The term "fucking
Chink" seem to be quite a favourite here.
I find the final allegation most shocking – for he is
directly claiming that he faces racism from Exeter University’s student body
and suggests that the term “fucking Chink” is used on campus at Exeter
university. Of course, allow me to assure you that I don’t believe a word that
Mr Abdullah has said. I was born in Singapore, educated in the UK and am now
resident in London after having spent half my life in the UK. I am appalled that Mr Abdullah has the audacity to make such
wild claims on his blog, particularly when it comes to directly implicating his
university since he claims that he suffers from racism at your university. I urge you to take this very seriously because Mr Abdullah’s blog
piece has gone viral in Singapore via a website called Singapore Daily (which compiles different blog posts which may be of interest to Singaporean readers) and this piece could go quite a long way to tarnish your university’s
otherwise good reputation in Singapore. Although I am a Londoner, I have
visited Exeter several times before and no, I have never ever come across these
roving mobs of EDL hooligan supporters smashing up shops and attacking anyone
non-Aryan or heroine junkies trying to steal my wallet in your lovely city.
It pains me to have to say this, but racism does go two
ways: there are Singaporeans who can be extremely racist towards white people
and they do so by misrepresenting white people as nasty, evil, drunk
EDL/UKIP/BNP supporters who go around abusing Asians. In perpetuating this
terrible misrepresentation of white people in England, Mr Abdullah is being a
racist and his blog post does tantamount to hate speech – certainly, he has
brought your university and city into disrepute and I would very much like to
know how you intend to deal with this racist student. As someone from Singapore
myself, it is extremely embarrassing to realize that someone like Mr Abdullah
is from my home town and I want to assure you please that not everyone from Singapore
is as ignorant, hateful and racist.
Thus it is with a sense of duty and obligation that I felt I had to bring this to your attention. I have included my phone number below should
you wish to speak to me further about this issue. Thank you very much for your attention."
Oh my Allah! Is this guy a grown man or not?! If he hates the UK that much, just balek kampong! Be a man and make decisions for himself. Does his mother still lay out his clothes for him in the mornings? All that lamenting about having to live a less than desirable life in the UK. Wow! What an idiot, I have no patience for fools,
ReplyDeleteHi Di. I am going to follow up with his university and demand that they take some kind of action against this guy. If he thinks that the freedom of speech allows him to spread lies like that online, I have one word for him: libel. But yes, his inability to take any responsibility for himself is bloody pathetic.
DeleteYes I saw this on quora as well. He's probably been away from Singapore for so long that he is unaware of that fact that brown and black people, who've had decedents in Singapore stretching out several generations, are being labeled foreigners based purely on the colour of our skin. Last week, I experienced 3 separate incidents. That's In a week!
ReplyDeleteNow I do not live in England, but know a lot of people who do. And what I hear from them is completely at odds with what ica is saying. Perhaps ica is suffering from hostile attribution bias? Either way, England is known for their tolerance and multiculturalism. (which could be undoing English society but that's an argument for another day)
Well I don't believe a word ica is saying anyway.
Hi Ivanovich, I am sure you would have already seen this post: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/what-is-buzzing/singaporean-comedian-calls-out-racist-netizens-in-humorous-video-135244433.html
DeleteBut yes, even in my NS days, the Singaporeans-Chinese behaved in an appalling manner towards the Singaporean-Indians in my unit and I am just appalled that so many Singaporean-Chinese people are oblivious to the racism in Singapore just because they are the racists heaping their hatred on the others.
As for England, there are some people who are racists here - but these are exceptions rather than the norm and what ICA has tried to do in his piece was to misrepresent the situation by trying to portray these exceptions as the norm. Take the train journey example: all you have to do is do a google search for train journeys from Exeter to London, the fastest journey is just 2 hours 8 minus (Exeter St David station to London Paddington). That's a fact and that train runs several times a day. There may have been extreme circumstances in the past to have turned that 2 hour 8 minute journey to 6 hours (like a flood, an accident on the train line, etc) but clearly, that would be an exception rather than the norm. Indeed, I could get to Exeter in 2 hours 8 minutes today if I wanted to make that journey. This is why I say ICA's argument is very, very poor because he has gone down the road of using extreme exceptional examples to try to make his case and anyone who lives in England will look at his piece and say, "what the hell are you talking about? That's complete rubbish."
He is only able to appeal to extremely racist Singaporeans who want to read that white people are evil and horrible - well, hopefully that's a niche market but he seems to have found quite a few racist Singaporeans who have liked his post.
Yes I saw this on quora as well. He's probably been away from Singapore for so long that he is unaware of that fact that brown and black people, who've had decedents in Singapore stretching out several generations, are being labeled foreigners based purely on the colour of our skin. Last week, I experienced 3 separate incidents. That's In a week!
ReplyDeleteNow I do not live in England, but know a lot of people who do. And what I hear from them is completely at odds with what ica is saying. Perhaps ica is suffering from hostile attribution bias? Either way, England is known for their tolerance and multiculturalism. (which could be undoing English society but that's an argument for another day)
Well I don't believe a word ica is saying anyway.
Of all the things to do, that ICA guy has to post them on Quora, a public forum, where the statements made can be vetted by anyone--and I mean ANYONE. That is already a big faux pas on the front of internet posting. If he dislikes it that much in the UK, he should move out of it. No one is stopping him per se. I always make my point to leave a place eventually if I want to, no matter how long it takes. Some places take time to grow on you, and if not, at least become passably liveable even if it is not the most ideal place, and even then, you can still leave for other "greener pastures". Maybe he is in that typical "I do not have a choice; what to do?" Singaporean mentality????
ReplyDeleteThat reminds me of something. Do you know that Korean singer, Jay Park (Park Jay Beom), who is actually Korean-American and born and bred in Seattle, WA? He got into a scuffle after quite an extensive time as a JYP trainee and leader of his own pop group, 2PM, with his internet post of "I hate Korea". That literally drove him out of the country for a few years, until he apologized publicly and then went back to the USA to retrain and prepare for a return again. He is now well-situated back in South Korea as an entertainer once again, starring in shows and performing or hosting. My point about Jay Park is this, give that Jay guy a break, since he is far away from his family abroad and regardless of his Korean ancestry, he will still inevitably feel alienated being by himself in Korea as an American and fully westernized Asian. By contrast, ICA does not sound like he has matured enough to realize that a lot of the choices he claims are forced upon him also need to be agreed to by him for them to be "forced upon" him yet. Hopefully, he will learn to take a step back from his own shortsightedness and see things for what they really are.
Actually, I don't think Exeter will take any action against Ibrahim as his comment doesn't amount to hate speech. According to Wikipedia:
ReplyDelete"Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation. In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or... disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group."
While Ibrahim has wrongly portrayed the white British people as racist, he has done no wrong in making such criticisms even if they are unfounded. It is fair comment for him to describe his own experience even if it is not representative of most foreigners in the UK.
In fact, if Exeter thinks otherwise and punishes Ibrahim for making such criticisms, it will only support his point that freedom of speech "works wonderfully against foreigners".
Secondly, by accusing Ibrahim of hate speech in an email to Exeter, which I suppose is prohibited in the UK, I wonder if you are hoping that he will be punished for making criticisms that you vehemently disagree with. If that's your intention, then how are you different from those intolerant Singaporeans who filed police reports against Amos Yee for saying something offensive?
I have placed the ball in the court of Exeter University and it is now up to them what action (if any) they wish to take. I can coerce them to do anything either way, all I can do is to give them the information that they ought to be aware of. And if they do nothing - fine, that's their choice. As for why I chose to inform his university, well - I thought it would be an interesting experiment to see what they would do if they knew of this. If I had contacted ICA directly, the outcome would have been boring and predictable.
DeleteSorry, typo: "I canNOT coerce them to do anything either way".
DeleteI was maybe fortunate to read LIFT post first before reading Ibrahim, as that left me with a clear impression that LIFT has somehow inexplicably taken huge personal offense to over-react in this response of his.
DeleteYour last para calling out LIFT actions as no different from those intolerant to Amos is spot on.
I find it rather lame at his excuse that this is simply an experiment when surely anyone conducting experiments should be detached and unbiased - something I find seriously lacking in LIFT's article and letter to Ibrahim's school.
Well, I wish to know how Exeter University would react - this is because I am curious about how they would handle a case like this. I am not a scientist in a lab coat trying to conduct an unbiased experiment for some kind of scientific research, I just wish to know where a university would stand when a student is clearly guilty of spreading hate speech. And if I can get him into trouble, I would gladly celebrate my success in sending a message out to others that they should not be spreading racist lies online. Racism goes two ways and that includes racist Singaporeans being extremely nasty towards white people: I do not tolerate racism in any shape or form.I am standing up for common sense and taking a stance against racism. I will be posting a follow up today on this issue, akan datang.
DeletePuppet, I think you have put things in totally inappropriate context. LIFT wrote directly to University of Exeter. It was his way of attempting to engage. What intolerant Singaporeans had done to Amos Yee was they filed police reports - i.e. demanded state actions and using state apparatus to resolve differences for us. I am afraid that requesting clarifications from a public institution is completely different from calling upon the police to use the powers of the state.
Delete@Shane
DeleteI compared Alex's email with the police reports against Amos Yee because in both cases, X makes a complaint against Y whom X disagrees with, probably hoping that Y will be punished as a result.
My comparison is not about demanding state action vs. seeking clarification from a public institution.
You may think that Alex did not intend for ICA to be punished, but I find that hard to believe given the tone of his email to Exeter. (Also see Kevin Jang's comment below.)
Like I said, I can't make Exeter university punish ICA, the ball is in their court. If they decide that he has done nothing wrong, then they won't punish him. And if he has done nothing wrong, then he has nothing to fear as they investigate the issue. Hoping that someone will be punished won't actually result in anything - I can hope that I win the lottery, but does the hope actually make me strike the jackpot? Unlikely, no. That's why that crazy guy resorted to beating Amos Yee up in public, because he knows that no amount of 'hoping' will do any good, that's why he took matters into his own hands (quite literally).
DeleteI have made my stance on ICA clear enough - but whether or not Exeter University wants to punish him is not my decision, it will boil down to what procedures they have to deal with situations like this. Do I think ICA needs to be punished? Yes. And so what? Big deal.
Alex, as a note though, are you being too tough on ICA? You could have confronted ICA directly online, and told him what you really think. Contacting the university administration is like, well, expecting them to take disciplinary action against him. I am sure that there are many people like him who actually do not associate with the local Britons and think that they are all racist if you ask me. A friend of mine who studied in Melbourne years back told me that his sister gave off an impression that she is open-minded but actually she hated all Australians and whites, and was merely there to tap into their available resources as an international student till she graduated from university. So, as it stands, there are many Singaporeans like ICA.
ReplyDeleteSure I am tough on him, but I didn't see the point of engaging him directly as I don't feel it is my duty to educate or enlighten him. He is just such a flawed character in so many ways - he is not taking responsibility for his own actions and is not thinking like an adult. If his parents won't sort him out, then I am turning to his university to show him that he has crossed the line.
DeleteIt is one thing for a foreign student to keep to himself and not integrate - that's their choice, it is none of my business, they are after all only in the country temporarily for the period of their studies and they leave after they graduate. But for ICA to spread lies like that online - that's wrong on so many levels. Refusing to integrate is not the same as spreading viscous racist lies like that online. Whilst there are Singaporeans who do not assimilate very well when studying abroad, how many of them spread viscous racist lies the way ICA did? Hardly any. Big difference Kev, huge difference.
I am posting a follow up today, akan datang.
I read the remarks that you posted from his Quora questions, but maybe I am being too lenient on him, in that I find him mistaken more than intentionally racist. That said, I do not think that your sending of that email to University of Exeter is an experiment, because the moment such an accusation of racism is thrown in into the ball court, so to say, the university administration is obliged to investigate and penalize the student if needed. That could effectively end his academic life in the university, and from a perspective as an academic, I am not in favor of this move at all. How is he going to be able to justify himself before future application committees in other universities, even if he decides to leave and pursue a subject major and career of his own biding? Then again, it is your call and conviction, and no one is obliged to change your views too. I am going to re-read his full Quora post and then see what really irked you instead of the quotes that I have read.
DeleteI left an answer on ICA's Quora question (or more likely "post"), and challenged him to leave the UK and return to Singapore if he is really that sure that those who left Singapore are not appreciated (he said "We don't need you thanks") and that it is better than the UK. The last few paragraphs which you did not really answer to really irked me.....
DeleteWell, I could have gone on but I have already made it clear that his actions contradicted his words. I have already called him a hypocrite a grand total of 5 times in the article - what more could I do to insult him? Oh I know, I followed up with his university - is hat not enough for you Kev?
DeleteWell, you are very angry over a small matter. You do not need to "scream" at me, because I did not offend you with any racist remarks. I actually stated already that I am just for setting him straight in his post which he posted on Quora, and not the university channel. Well, it is your call. You can scream at me, but I have a right to ignore and pretend that I am deaf. You are the one who wants to insult him. I am not the one who wants to insult him. You need to cool down. By the way, my last sentence was not about you, because I was stating the mere fact of his last few paragraphs which were not covered......
DeleteWhen did I 'scream' at you? Did I TYPE IN CAPS? no, I didn't. Some accusing me of stuff like that when I clearly did not do it.
DeleteI don't understand what give you the right to be tough on him. You are too overly judgmental.
ReplyDeleteDear Savl Lya,
DeletePerhaps you're new to this, but this is how social media works. When you post something out there - be it a blog post, a Youtube video or even just a Tweet or a photo on Instagram, you are putting it in the public domain and by doing so, others will have the right to respond be it positively or negatively. If you are afraid of being judged by others, then you should not put stuff out there on social media and maybe just share your thoughts, videos and photos with friends on a website like Facbook, rather than broadcast it to anyone and everyone on the internet. He gave me the right to judge him the moment he chose to publish his opinions in the public domain - it is that simple. Welcome to the age of the internet Savl Lya.
To me it looks like he posted on quora to ask a question but instead of answering him there on that platform, you chose to jump to conclusions and take offense (I don't see how his question on quora is racist) and escalate it to the extent of sending his school a complaint letter.
DeleteWell Savl Lya, I really don't care how it "looks to you" - I am entitled to respond any way I like to it, the same way you are entitled to respond any way you like to my post. His university (not his 'school') is already investigating the matter and will be taking action against him - bwahahahaha and there's nothing you can do to change that fact.
DeleteCame across your post. Read the question that got you all riled up. And re-read this post.
ReplyDeleteSo it's basically this: WAH WAH HIS EXPERIENCE DOESN'T MATCH MINE! HE MUST BE LYING!'
Oh, and you've also apparently appointed yourself 'DEFENDER OF WHITE PEOPLE!'
Very cute.
Do you regularly trawl question-and-answer sites to be offended, and then cowardly produce rambling, barely coherent posts? Sure, engaging the guy and engaging him in a debate would've been the adult method of doing it, but you're above that, eh?
It's cool though. Let's try playing by your rules, then.
Let's say Ibrahim is informed about your libellous post (it is pretty much bullshit, after all).
He might or might not take legal action, who knows?
But let's also say he or someone informs all his friends and family about this post.
And oh, I don't know, let's say this someone also encourages them to trawl through your posts looking for something, anything deemed inappropriate. A message is then sent to your company, your clients, your friends, etc.
And why stop there?
Why not trawl through your wife's posts, and do the same as well?
Hell, why not your parents, as well as her parents too?
And hey, do you have kids? Dear GOD I hope not.
But if you do, are they aware that their daddy is a spineless piece of trash? Someone might want to inform them of that.
And their friends.
And their friends' parents.
That's how social media works, right?
Now personally, I feel like that would be going overboard. And this sentiment might be shared by most of his family and friends.
But hey, all it takes is just one of them, or even just a stranger who's pissed at how you're trying to punish someone for expressing an opinion. Someone you don't even know.
Now I know, I know... you don't care about what I think. And you'll probably make a long comment claiming how just how much you don't care.
Or being a hypocrite, you might just delete this comment.
And I have to say, ditto.
You've moved me enough to reach out to Ibrahim, and also to post this once-off comment.
Feel free to get your panties in a twist, I won't be returning.
Have a fantastic day! :)
Bwahahahahaha
I shall respond with dignity and offer you the following points:
Delete1. This poorly written post by ICA was picked up by http://singaporedaily.net/ - unfortunately that meant that many Singaporeans read ICA's post and without anyone adding any commentary to it, they may get the impression that England is a racist, even dangerous place. If not for the fact that it was widely circulated, I would have gladly ignored it. But since it was, then I felt compelled to offer my side of the story to address the balance.
2. If ICA was indeed facing this much racism in his university, then he should have reported it to his university for them to deal with the matter. He should not have suffered it quietly (and then rant about it online) - his university has a duty of care in this aspect towards all their students when it comes to racism on campus. I was doing him a favour by raising the issue to his university if he was really that affected by it.
3. ICA has the right to respond to my post in whatever way he wishes - it is what we call freedom of speech and I invite him to do so. He has not done so thus far. As for the quality of my writing, I am currently ranked 14th in all of Singapore in terms of bloggers (8th when you only include individual bloggers) and after 7 million views, I say, a lot of people want to read my writing, particularly in Singapore. So if you don't like my post, tough - many others do. Feel free to surf somewhere else on the internet.
4. As for reporting me to my company... (drum roll please) I am self-employed. I am my own boss. Kindly report all your complaints to me so as I may respond :) My friends and family are aware that I am a popular blogger and I am very outspoken, so feel free to circulate whatever I write to them.
5. One needs to exercise responsibility on social media especially if one wants to be outspoken and voice an opinion. At least I am showing my face and identity and standing by what I say - you on the other hand, don't even have the balls to do that and are shouting insults anonymously. You are the one who has no balls and doesn't have the guts to stand by what you say. Show your face and let's talk.
6. If you wish to reach out to ICA, feel free to leave a comment for him on his original post. But whilst you're at it, do read the other comments there as well and see how others have attacked him for his unbalanced post.