Saturday, 21 June 2014

This Singaporean sense of entitlement when it comes to higher education

Now one of my recent articles have ruffled some feathers in Singapore, ironically, it was not even the focus of the topic but a case study which I have used that caused the controversy. Firstly, let me remind you what this case study was: in my previous post on CPF savings, I used the case study of a low-income Singaporean family who were faced with a difficult choice of whether the parents should use their life savings to send their son to Bolton University (ranked 121st out of 123 universities in the UK). I deliberately chose a British university at the bottom of the league tables to demonstrate that this was highly unlikely to be a good investment for their money.

My point is simple: purchasing higher education is expensive business. Too many young people in Singapore think that as long as you study hard, your parents are obliged to pay the costs of your education regardless of whether or not it is a good return on their investment. This sense of entitlement on the part of Singaporean students is sickening to say the least because it doesn't consider just how hard the parents have to work to earn that money. Maybe the parents are the ones to blame as well for not having communicated this effectively to their children, but we do have a situation whereby Singaporean students are treating higher education as a right, rather than a privilege which their parents are paying for with their hard earned money, often their life savings and this is what I want to talk about today.
Is this sense of entitlement embedded in our culture?

Let me deal with some of these comments on TRS from people whom I have offended with my article.

Raymond Tan ·  Top Commenter · Temasek Polytechnic
I wonder did any company print an advertisement asking for only NTU/NUS/ Harvard/ MIT degree only. Come on don't fool yourself with only paper qualification. It make no sense. Are you suggesting that people should just give up caused it's a no name uni? Stupid of you to make the example based on the ranking of the uni. The bottom line is the parents should be given a chance to decide themselves but instead getting judge at. You meant getting a first class honors degree in "useless" school isn't worth as much as a just pass student from (example) NTU/NUS? It still depend on the student itself, not the value of the school. Don't be ahem FKING stereotype can? First part is dumb enough to stop me from reading this lengthy and somehow not conclusive article. Yawn

I have worked as a gatekeeper for many years and am in a position to decide whom should get a job and whom to reject - I have blogged about this role I play in fact. Whilst we would never insist that we only accept applicants from top universities, we do get a pile of CVs the moment we advertise for a role. Now let's imagine if I do receive a CV from someone who went to Bolton University, my first reaction would be, "why did you end up going to a university at the very bottom of the league table?" It is not a good start, I may then go on to look at the applicant's work experience to see if there is any evidence of intelligence or aptitude for the job, but as the gatekeeper, if I let the wrong person through the gate, I will be blamed for wasting the company's time and money. It is a huge responsibility and I don't want to risk making a mistake.

Let's get real here - a gatekeeper can get 20, 50, even 100 applicants for a job. The more attractive the position, the more applications there will be. The gatekeeper doesn't have the time to read every CV in detail, never mind invite every single applicant for an interview. Imagine if the company is recruiting for 5 positions and each position attracts 100 applicants - that's 500 CVs for the poor HR manager to wade through. The HR manager or gatekeeper will have to create a shortlist of applicants and at this stage, if the gatekeeper has the choice between an applicant from a good university and an applicant from Bolton university, don't expect the gatekeeper to be nice and give the guy from Bolton a chance - not unless he's a family friend who owes you a favour. It's a very harsh process indeed.
Thus if you give the gatekeeper an excuse to say no to the applicant, then guess what? The gatekeeper will probably say no because it is a risk to give such an applicant a chance especially if there is stiff competition. Let's not assume that all graduates from top universities will make good employees - let's imagine if the gatekeeper gives an Oxford graduate a chance and the Oxford graduate turns out to be totally useless and has to be sacked after three months. In such a situation, the gatekeeper can say, "well he went to Oxford, you can't blame me for having given him a chance, right? It was a shame things didn't work out, but it was a risk we had to take."

If the gatekeeper gave a Bolton graduate a chance and things went wrong, the Bolton graduate was sacked after three months. The gatekeeper's boss would be screaming, "What on earth made you think that it was a risk worth taking? Now we have wasted three months pay, training someone who turned out to be useless and now we have to start all over again? What were you thinking giving this person a chance?" Is it fair? No, probably not, but the gatekeeper would be taking a far bigger risk in giving the Bolton graduate a chance - thus that is why graduates from Oxford tend to get far more job offers than graduates from Bolton because it is a university at the top of the league table.
Is this an elitist attitude? Yes it is. Is it fair? No. But does it make sense for the employer? Yes it does - because we are living in a risk-averse society. You may believe that graduates from "no name universities" should be given as many opportunities as graduates from Oxford and Cambridge, but when you leave this process in the hands of the private sector, the Oxford and Cambridge graduates will always come out on top and those from Bolton will lose out. Such are the market forces at work: there is always a greater demand for graduates from the top universities in the labour market. I didn't make the rules, I am not even condoning the system: I am just telling you this is how things work in the real world.

This is why I say Singaporean students should smell the coffee and wake up to the realities of this competitive labour market they are going to have to eventually enter. Oh I remember my primary school days, I went to this idyllic little primary school in Sembawang years ago back in the 1980s - it closed down in the 1992 and was demolished to make way for a condominium, but I have such fond memories of my primary school days. The teachers made a genuine effort with the weaker students, going out of their way to help them, encourage them and protect them.
Some students are always going to be smarter than others.

I remember this incident when I was in primary three - the form teacher was giving out the test papers and this boy  (let's call him Teng, not his real name) in my class failed the test with a result of 41/100. Teng had the worst result in the class and when the other pupils saw his result, they teased him about his score and called him stupid. (Well, may I add that this score was pretty typical of what Teng would score in all his tests and exams, as I recall.) Teng started crying upon being called stupid and this caught the teacher's attention: she immediately scolded the other pupils who made Teng cry and made them apologize to Teng. She then encouraged Teng to study harder for the next test so as to improve his results.

Now isn't that sweet? This is the kind of scenario that can only happen in a primary school classroom - the real world is a lot more harsh. Let's imagine if Teng went to Bolton university and then applied for a job with an investment bank like Goldman Sachs, only to be rejected. What can Teng do then? Can he run back to his primary three teacher and ask her for help? "Teacher teacher, that investment bank won't hire me, they won't even give me an interview. Can you scold them and tell them that they are wrong, tell them to give me a chance? They cannot discriminate against me like that, just because I didn't get the results to go to a good university, it's not fair." No, he can't do that, because we all know that Teng's kind primary three form teacher cannot help him in the real world, in a situation like this.
Who can you complain to when you can't get a job?

Thus when Raymond Tan starts berating me about discriminating against graduates from 'no name' universities, I am going to take a deep breath and ask him to take a reality check. You're no longer in primary school and there is no form teacher for you to run to and shout, "teacher teacher he call me stupid". This is the real world where people from 'no name' universities are going to get far fewer opportunities when looking for a job - it is a fact of life, don't shoot the messenger for the message.

So, why am I so harsh when it comes to judging universities at the wrong end of the league table? Indeed, one reader on TRS even questioned the ranking I referred to.

Tan Sri Hwa ·  Top Commenter
If Bolton University is that bad like what you say, it would have close down long ago and will not be in the ranking for you to mention.
Well let's start with some facts: firstly, the ranking system I referred to is the from the Complete University Guide and you can see it here. It's not my personal opinion, it is a league table that is commonly used to compare British universities. Each university gets a score based on the following criteria: entry standards, student satisfaction, research assessment and graduate prospects: there is then an overall score which determines each university's ranking. Allow me to point out the obvious: there are 123 universities in the league table and some unfortunate university will have to take 123rd place in this table, the honour of being ranked last in the entire country. Have a look at the picture below:
This would look pretty familiar - so if there are eight runners in this race, somebody would have to come 8th if the runners are all running at different speed. This is what the set up for a 100 meter sprint would look like - somebody will be the fastest and win, whilst somebody will be the slowest and come in last. So if you have ten runners for the race, somebody will be slowest and come in tenth and last. If you have 20 runners for the race, somebody will come in 20th and last. And if you have 123 runners in the race, somebody will come in 123rd and last - somebody will have to come last, it is simply a statistical probability that you cannot argue against. You cannot have 123 runners in the race and everyone celebrating a top 10 position at the finishing line. So in the case of the university rankings, the overall score ranged from 1000 for the university ranked 1st (Cambridge) to 329 for the university ranked 123rd (London Metropolitan University). Bolton came in 121st with a score of 411 whilst the top 20 universities all had a score above 800.

Like I said, these are statistics, it's nothing personal. This is not even my personal opinion here and these are not even my statistics but the statistics I have taken off the Complete University Guide website.  There is an element of shooting the messenger here - I get it, like crying out aloud, I am from Singapore lah, I grew up in Singapore. I remember how kids from the neighbourhood schools would whine and moan endlessly about those from elite schools looking down on them. Of course, I get it, I can see where this attitude stems from, but it's time for a reality check here.
Did you get the memo? Life is not fair.

If you had straight As for your A levels, would you apply to Cambridge or would you apply to Bolton university? Why would you pick Oxford or Cambridge over Bolton? Okay, let's now make another comparison: say you have managed to earn yourself a place at Lincoln University (ranked 55th) - would you rather go to Lincoln University or Bolton University (ranked 121st)? Why would you pick Lincoln over Bolton then? You get the idea. This is how universities at the bottom of the league tables will always receive the weakest students as the stronger students always choose to go to a higher ranked university.

There is an element of GIGO (Garbage in, Garbage out) - if a university like Bolton only receives the weakest students who have been rejected by better universities, then the lecturers and teachers have a really difficult task in trying to teach them anything. Conversely, universities like Oxford and Cambridge already receive the very best students anyway, so it isn't hard for the teachers to achieve stunning results with such very high quality students.
Garbage in, garbage out.

Why should you always try to go to a better university? You will always be taught better if you go to a better university. At a university like Oxford, the teachers will be able to push you so much harder, teach you so much more knowing that the students are able to rise to the challenge intellectually. If you were to push much weaker students the same way, they would be unable to follow the lesson.  So a first class degree from Bolton is not equivalent to even a basic degree from Oxford - I am just going to be blunt here: give the students from Bolton an Oxford exam and mark them according to Oxford standards and every single Bolton student would fail without exception. They simply are not of the same caliber of Oxford student, a first class student from Bolton may be more capable than a second or third class student in Bolton, but they are far academically and intellectually inferior to any Oxford student by a very, very long way.

So why don't universities like Bolton at the bottom of the league table just close down? How on earth do they still attract students despite being at the very bottom of the league table? Simple - universities are run like businesses, their ranking may affect their ability to attract quality students, but at the end of the day, like any business, they want to make money. As long as there are students willing to enroll in Bolton for a watered-down degree course and pay the fees, they will run those courses and issue those degrees. A degree from Bolton doesn't come with any job guarantee - so they are not misleading their students at all, that goes the same for any university in the world.
Are Bolton undergraduates blind to just how crap their university is?

Perhaps Tan Sri Hwa is assuming that any university at the bottom of the league table should be so ashamed of themselves that they should hang their heads in shame just close down rather than live in shame - but guess what? It doesn't work like that. There are some students who really don't care if they are going to a university at the bottom of the league table - these are students who will never ever achieve the kind of academic results which will get them into a top 20 university so they don't mind or care being associated with a university like Bolton. Some people who are just not academically inclined will still want a degree and Bolton is the kind of university who will gladly give them a degree - it's a business.

Admittedly, this begs more questions than it answers: for example, even if what Bolton university is doing is legal, is it immoral for them to issue degrees that are not worth the paper it is printed on? Should it be criminal for such universities to be issuing degrees to students, when they know that such degrees will not be respected in the real world? And more to the point, why do people bother going to universities like Bolton which are at the very bottom of the league table? Do they realize what they are paying for? Who are they trying to fool - future employers or themselves?
Do you know your university's rankings?

If your parents are very rich, then there's no moral dilemma at all. But the moral dilemma occurs when your parents have limited resources and if they are spending a large portion of their life savings to send you to university, then you have to ask yourself if it is going to be worth their gamble on spending their life savings on your degree. In that context, the ranking of the university you are going to plays a huge part in judging whether you deserve your parents' hard earned money and life savings. The harsh reality is that there are plenty of unemployed graduates out there, so it is necessary to think carefully if your degree choice will indeed serve you well in the working world.

Perhaps it is a very Chinese thing to hold universities in high esteem - after all, in our Chinese culture, we tend to respect teachers and as children, we are taught to always listen to our teachers and respect them. Thus by logical extension, the school is an institution that we hold in high regard in our society and universities enjoy that high status as well particularly since graduates were rare in our parents' days. Back then, to go to university was a pretty big deal - but fast forward to 2014 and in the UK, we have so many universities in this country. That's why we need league tables to guide students to which choose the best universities and know which ones to avoid. Is it such a stretch of imagination for you to understand that there are some very good universities and absolutely terrible universities out there? If there are 123 British universities, how can every single one of them be just as good as each other?
I would like to finish with a story from my primary school days again. During PE lessons, the teacher would often make us run one whole round of the field and it was a pretty big field. Obviously, some students were a lot faster than others and there was a particularly fat kid in my class who just didn't run. The fastest runners in the class would always compete to see who could complete that lap around the field first and they were fiercely competitive. The kind PE teacher knew that the rest of the class would be waiting at the finish line for that fat kid to slowly make his way around the field, so he kept us busy whilst waiting - he distracted us with various tasks such as putting away the PE equipment. It was a ploy to avoid us focusing our attentions on the fat kid coming in last. What a kind PE teacher he was.

We all knew the fat kid was the slowest one in the class - but the PE teacher did whatever he could to spare him the humiliation of coming in last. Perhaps this is what Tan Sri Hwa expects of the university league tables - to only report on the best universities in the country whilst ignoring anything outside the top 10 or top 20? Perhaps he thought that it was simply in bad taste to name and shame the universities at the very bottom of the league table? Or more simply, perhaps he thought that nobody would want to go to a crap university, so if it was that bad, then it should have closed down years ago - but guess what? Loads of people want to go to crap universities and pay good money for crap degrees - but hint: these aren't exactly the brightest students in the country with straight As.

Am I being elitist for calling a spade a spade? How do you feel about universities at the bottom of the league ta Please feel free to let me know what you think in the comments section below, thank you very much for reading.





22 comments:

  1. Well it should come as no surprise that Singaporeans have a different perception of a degree. The number of degree holders in Singaporeans have been suppressed for so long that the proportion of degree holders is likely much less than the UK or other developed countries.

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    1. Well Devil, here's the difference between the UK and Singapore - in the UK (as well as the US, Germany, France or any other really big country), we have so many universities. Of course there's going to be a range of universities from Oxford & Cambridge at the top of the league tables to the totally shit ones at the very bottom. Singapore has very few universities ref: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/universities-in-singapore-how-many-is.html and the government has smartly chosen to have quality rather than quantity - if you wanna go get a shitty degree not worth the paper it is printed on, there are plenty of private institutions in Singapore that will offer that, it is just a foreign university and the good name of Singapore is not tainted.

      The fact is in 2014, anyone can have a degree, so it matters so much more what university it is for if you're going to bother with a degree and given how expensive it is, it makes sense to make sure you get what you pay for.

      PS. Look out for part 2 soon.

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    2. I had read the second link provided in your reply which may go hand in hand in this post.

      How SMU can become a second top choice after NUS/NTU while providing a useless degree that is Business degree. SMU focus on business field. I had read your previous article that Business degree is useless but SMU manage to be to top number 3 in Singapore now.

      If Business degree is useless, why SMU can become No. 3 in Singapore.

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    3. Simple answer: That's because there are so few universities in Singapore: you have NUS, NTU, SMU as the 3 more established ones, then you have the very new ones: SIM, SIT, SUTD and Yale-NUS. SIM has a poor reputation, SIT, SUTD and Yale-NUS are barely a few years, they need more time to get established.

      So if a student cannot get into NUS/NTU, then he has the choice of trying one of the new universities or going for SMU and give the new universiites a few years to prove themselves and you will see how technology and engineering will triumph over business studies in the long run.

      It's not like there are hundreds of universities in Singapore, no - you have 7. So coming in no. 3 out of 7 when there are 3 brand new universities is really not a glorious achievement. Get real. Going abroad to the UK, US or Australia to study is very expensive and not an option that many Singaporean families can realistically choose (not without a scholarship).

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    4. I'm not about to get into the SMU vs. NUS/NTU debate here, but I dare say that most of the students who got into SMU chose it as their first choice, this was already the case a few years back when I was still there, since most of the people I knew there (including myself) actually had a place in NUS or NTU.

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    5. THT, let me state for the record that I did not go to university in Singapore - my tertiary education was done with British, French and American institutions. So it's not like I have any interest or incentive to take sides here in his SMU vs NUS/NTU debate at all. It's just like me stumbling upon a group of guys talking about some World Cup match and I really couldn't be less interested which team won or which team played better or who deserved to win etc - it makes no difference to me.

      I'm not here to attack SMU and if you have gone there and are doing okay today, I say good for you - there are plenty of people who are struggling and I'm glad you're doing okay. I am just questioning the wisdom of doing a business degree.

      An engineering graduate can easily go into business (most sales and marketing roles don't require a business degree) but a business graduate cannot go into engineering - so by that token, an engineering graduate has more options than a business graduate. It's really that simple.

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    6. Nah, never thought you were trying to attack any particular university, just thought that it would be good to offer my perspective on the SMU situation. After all, it would be a big big miscalculation for any applicant who thinks it's easier to get into SMU than the other two universities.

      I actually do agree with you on the business degree issue. A lot of us business students shared the same opinion that doing an accounting degree would have made more practical sense.

      *I previously posted this under the wrong thread. Could you just ignore the other one? Thanks!*

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    7. Let's put it this way: I grew up in Singapore and was subject to loads of "my school is better than your school because blah blah blah..." and I'm like, who cares? It's the individual that matters at the end of the day, not the school they went to. I remember this guy who went on and on about how this school had the best football team in Singapore and I was like, excuse me, are you on your school's football team? No? Then shut the hell up, cos what they have achieved has got nothing to do with you. So yeah, I didn't want to go down that path...

      PS. there is a bizad faculty at NUS too you know...

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  2. Actually hor, for some jobs, especially those advertised by Sinkie SMEs, please don't expect even a few applicants, let alone many, from NTU/NUS/ Harvard/ MIT lah. Most, if not all, are applicants from those 3rd world universities which are unlisted in rankings, let alone even bottom listed ones like Bolton and London Metropolitan which Limpeh like to mention. Anyway, SME bosses also prefer those 3rd world ones, chiefly because they are much cheaper. Hence NUS/NTU, despite being the premium brand, will still lose out.

    I know this from my own company experience and also from many friends who are SME bosses. And despite applicants being from 3rd world university and lower pay , their work performance is found to be still reasonably acceptable after being hired.

    So indeed even NUS/NTU graduates are choosy about where they want to work. So most likely they have to fight hard among themselves, and maybe with those from Harvard/MIT/Cambridge/Oxford for their choice places of work and you can predict what type of outcome.

    So what's the big deal being even from NUS/NTU? Or a poor deal being from Bolton or London Metropolitan?

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    1. Well David, it really depends on the job. If I am hiring a manager for a branch of bubble tea stall in Yishun, then I really don't care much about education - it would be work experience to cope with that kind of F&B job that would count. If I am hiring the head of market development for a hedge fund manager, then the snob factor would be far more important given the different class of clients. The average bubble tea consumer in Yishun is quite different from your typical institutional hedge fund investor.

      So when you're talking about Sinkie SMEs, what kind of jobs are we talking about? What kind of sector are we dealing with? $3.50 Bubble tea or $350 million hedge fund?

      My point is simple: when recruiting for lower down the food chain, it really doesn't matter at all - but the further up the food chain you go, the more training/education matters.

      As for what's the big deal about having a degree from a good university? Well, simple: it gives you the opportunity to apply for a job higher up the food chain, you'll be taken more seriously when you apply for those jobs and have a greater chance of landing that job. Do you wanna work with bubble tea or hedge funds?

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    2. Limpeh Foreign talent,

      I am not talking about bubble tea stall, and which I didn't make it clear earlier. The SMEs, for instance my company, are in a niche high technology systems and applications business, in a fast changing field, with only companies as clients and an expanding business. Definitely we need and welcome good degree holders, but not those with arts or business degrees. And with that, few NUS/NTU engineering degree holders want to apply, even though we welcome fresh ones and also willing to pay Sinkie market salaries. So by default, we accepted those from 3rd world universities. And found to our surprise they could still do the job acceptably well and also not as demanding as expected of Sinkie graduates.

      So after this experience, I realise that premium brands of U, whether local or foreign, is not that big deal in engineering and related areas.

      Maybe Limpeh is talking about other fields and not engineering. For that, I admit I may not know much, and perhaps premium brands of U counts. And by the way, does Limpeh know anything about the field of engineering and jobs, even in the UK where he resides?

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    3. Interesting analysis David.

      What you have described is the difference between studying for an exam and applying oneself in the workplace. An important part about training up any new employee is the way s/he is mentored and the kind of training & support that is provided, so that the new employee can climb that steep learning curve with confidence.

      So yeah, just having a degree from a great university doesn't really tell the employer anything about the ability to adapt to working life and how one would function in the workplace. I have seen academically brilliant people struggle because they picked the wrong job and just didn't have the right skills (and couldn't pick up those skills fast enough). I suppose there's an element of being willing to learn (as opposed to just giving up) and a willingness to learn coupled with a can-do attitude usually helps.

      I don't have a background in engineering and the only industries I have worked in are media and finance. So I can't talk about the engineering sector per se. But in finance, yes there are so many applicants for the few positions available - so at entry level at least, it is hard to get your foot in the door without a good degree from a top university. If you don't have that, then by all means go to get some work experience in some small company/bank and then try applying again on the basis of work experience.

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    4. Hi LIFT

      Interesting that David and you raised an issue which I have observed in the Sg job market and based on friends in the tech / engr / banking sector. For some reasons, the bank and finance sectors have such a huge deluge of applicants while my engineering friends who are looking to hire in the more niche, technical type jobs which David described, rarely gets many locals. Instead, they get more applicants who are from China. For some reasons, most Singaporean grads seem to shun those more technical jobs and instead get attracted by the glamour of the finance industries.

      I myself work in a fairly niche drug development operations and communications industry and majority of my peers and colleagues are either caucasians or Japanese and Malaysians but am the lone Singaporean. Every time we hire, we get very few local applicants. In contrast, our marketing counterparts get a whole lot of fresh grads and experienced locals knocking on the door.

      Perhaps Singaporeans really need to take a hard look to reflect if we have a too narrow perception of the sort of jobs that are considered attractive. Sad.

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    5. Nah, never thought you were trying to attack any particular university, just thought that it would be good to offer my perspective on the SMU situation. After all, it would be a big big miscalculation for any applicant who thinks it's easier to get into SMU than the other two universities.
      I actually do agree with you on the business degree issue. A lot of us business students shared the same opinion that doing an accounting degree would have made more practical sense.

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  3. "chiefly because they are much cheaper" LOL. That's your answer David.

    Because the same amount of money spent on an expensive overseas degree has a much lower ROI.

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    1. Well Cecilia, I think you've stumbled upon a very good point! If you want a cheap overseas degree from a third rate "no name" university, perhaps it would make sense to get it from somewhere like India or the Philippines (lelong lelong cheap cheap) rather than getting it going to the UK or US where even a university like Bolton is still pretty expensive. Like you said, it is all about ROI.

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    2. Well, Limpeh FT is making a point that some ppl are still don't get it~ If the employers can't afford to pay for top Uni grads, naturally they will go for "no name" university... back to the topic of CPF, it's just not making sense to use CPF to fund the overseas "no name" Uni study where Ah Boy can just go to UniSim or local "no name" Uni to get a degree...where these SME will be hiring them within their affordability...

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  4. I think that this article exposes a fundamental problem with the use of education to signal prospective employees. It assumes that the better university has smarter students, but this rests on the unfounded assumption that the sorting mechanism that determines ones university(such as A levels) is an accurate way to determine intelligence. Another assumption is that simply because he if from a better university, he will be better at a particular job. This does not make much sense, it is highly unlikely that many top degree holders will find a job that corresponds to their area of study, such as history or literature. And job skills tend to be very specific to the particular job, and being good at learning in an academic environment does not imply being good at learning the skills of a particular job. Usually all the skills a person requires are learned in the job, making the degree irrelevant. I'm not saying your analysis is wrong Limpeh, but it reveals a extremely misguided method of determining ability that is an enourmous waste of money.

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    1. Well Raymund, you have raised some valid points. In a recent article that I posted: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/two-major-flaws-in-singaporean.html I stressed that young people need to prove themselves outside the school/university environment, to prove that they are ready for the transition to working life. If you have as a young person more than adequately proven yourself beyond your studies with a range of work experiences and interesting and varied experiences, then congratulations, you are in a very good position to find yourself a good job. But if all you have is a degree to go on, then the quality of that degree is going to matter greatly and would depend a lot on the ranking of that university (along with its reputation).

      This of course, becomes less and less relevant as we progress in our careers - that is when we use our work experience to prove our abilities in the workplace, rather than dig out that degree to try to prove anything. It is only at that crucial point when a young person makes that transition from student life to working life that this degree may be helpful in opening doors, to signal to prospective employees that, "hey this person is bright, give him a chance."

      I have talked a lot about my experience as a gatekeeper http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/q-whats-worst-youve-encountered-as.html and have made it clear that a range of factors do matter when it comes to selecting one candidate over another - we clearly do not simply give out the job to the candidate with the best academic results but we do subject them to much further testing and interviews to see if they have what it takes to perform well in the job they are applying for. I am proud of the way I am very good at testing soft skills when it comes to performing my role as a gatekeeper and I do talk a lot about soft skills on my blog: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/lets-talk-about-soft-skills-again.html

      Having said that, let's reconcile this with the fact that most young people feel as if they need a degree before they even start looking for a job, A degree is extremely expensive so you really ought to consider if you will be getting a good return on your investment (ROI) if you are going to spend all that time and money (presumably your parents' hard earned money and life savings) on a degree. By that token, some degrees will offer much better ROI than others - that is a fact. You want to have a good degree that will impress people and open doors, you don't want to be one of those stories where you claim, "oh I went to this crap university at the bottom of the league tables but I still struggled against the odds and became successful today." You don't want to struggle against the odds if you can help it - you want the odds to be on your side.

      When an Oxford graduate succeeds in life, people go, "meh, so what? He went to Oxford." When a Bolton university graduate achieves the same thing, he is front page news and an inspirational story: why? Because he struggled against the odds and succeeded. Now do you want to go through life with the odds on your side or do you want to have the odds stacked against you?

      Do you want to go through life hoping that your prospective employers will give you a chance to prove yourself despite having gone to a crap university? Do you want to hope for them to be nice and say, "oh I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and a chance to prove himself?" Do you want to go through life depending on people being nice, even charitable and take pity on you? Do you want your success to depend on the charity and sympathy of others? Or do you simply wanna be armed with a degree that said, "that's my BA from Oxford, so there."

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  5. I am not sure why Raymond Tan called your attitude/perspective elitist. Singapore IS a very elitist country. Think of the way even primary schools have elitist reputations. ACS vs. Tan Ah Beng Primary School. Then you have SJI, ACS, and Raffles vs. Tan Ah Huay Secondary School. Think NUS vs. NTU vs. Poly or vs one of the newer universities. Please. Singaporeans are judged by their cars, Pradas, and country clubs. So, why call Alex elitist for calling a spade a spade? Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, ... crème dela crème of all universities. Preppy haven. The question is, would you be wasting money on Bolton University? That is a hard question. Bottom line, let's not pretend you will judge the Bolton graduate the same way you would judge the Oxford graduate.

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    1. Thanks Di!! You and I are so on the same wavelength.

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  6. Dear Limpeh, Thank you very much for an extremely enjoyable read.
    I was nodding (in agreement), laughing while reading, and at times pausing occasionally to reach for a grape from my snack bowl next to my laptop. I am one of those Singaporeans that possesses a strong sense of entitlement; I feel I am entitled to a bowl of nice fruits while reading about people who have a strong (misplaced) sense of entitlement in the real world. I know I am going to have to start ducking projectiles from angry respondents for saying this but I really do feel we have a big (read: obscene) number of fellow Singaporeans feeling that somehow a degree is a ticket to success in life. Sorry.. I am getting ahead of myself. It is more like… because I “worked so hard” in school and earned myself a good degree, the world should reward my effort with high starting work pay, an accommodating boss, colleagues that think that I am Godsend, a girlfriend/boyfriend that worships the very floor I walked on… (the lists goes on) . I think they should go outside Singapore and take a reality check in the outside world. The world outside is so much harsher… There are countries where you don’t get a bad job even if you wanted it. I like what you said about how a good university can up your game. It is just reality. But I would also like to add that, graduating from a lower rung university doesn’t spell doom. It just means you have to work harder and smarter, and build up a kickass personality to help open doors. I just hope people who read the article above will treat this as a wakeup call and not an insult. People who are like “Mr. limpeh” who bothers to address insulting responses are people who wants you to succeed. If he thinks you are hopeless, he will just read your response, laugh at how stupid you are, off his computer, go back to his bowl of grapes and successful life. Think about it.

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