Wednesday, 26 February 2014

My follow up to the TRS quality control issue

Hi everyone. Okay, I have received a very prompt response from TRS with regards to my last article "TRS: The Gutter Press, Bad Journalism and Lazy Writers". Firstly, allow me to cut and paste their comment.

Hi Limpeh,

I agree with many of your points and I think your last few paragraphs adequately sums up our dilemma. We try to present the views of singaporeans, all singaporeans. We know that sometimes this can ruffle feathers. We don't necessarily agree with the article and in fact we publish many articles that are pro gay also.

Just because we do not agree with a view doesn't mean it doesn't exist or deserve to be heard. In fact, publishing these different views can promote healthy discussion and help others who hold similar views see the arguments made against them. This has already happened in the comments section of that article. If we simply block out the article, this discussion could not occur and we would be no different from the mainstream media which only publishes the views they want to see.

We always appreciate feedback and your article is a good response to the article too. We felt the need to respond on our position to you because you are one of our favorite bloggers :) Also, is it Ok if we publish this article to our website as another response to the SK Pang article?
This issue here is about quality control.

Here is my reply which I wanted to do write as a proper blog posts since I really wanted to include hyperlinks to the sources which I am citing in my post (and that's not easily done in the comments section) - I can include videos and photos in this format a lot easier and it makes for a more pleasant reading experience for my readers. 

This brings me right back to that module at university when I studied about Indian philosopher and feminist Gayatri Spivak trying to capture the voices of the women at the very bottom of the social ladder and their voices are rarely ever captured in Indian history - which focuses on the elite in Indian society, those who were educated and have power & money get to write Indian history; but Spivak ran into many of the problems that you're running into in her quest to capture the voices of the subaltern in Indian society. These people are uneducated, illiterate even, most are inarticulate, they are not eloquent and she had the dilemma of whether to 'translate' their words to a more presentable format for her audience in academia or leave it as it is, whilst taking the risk that her audience may reject her work or diminish its value. So this is not a new issue in academia, one that has no simple answers.
Spivak tried to capture the voices of the Indian subaltern.

My point is that it is not a matter of being pro or anti gay here: it is the lack of quality control by TRS. I have seen some very well written anti-gay articles written by highly educated, very articulate people who know exactly how to argue their case. Those are the people who worry me, not someone like SK Pang who clearly doesn't know how to cite sources in an essay - this is one of the first things they teach you in university when you start writing essays seriously after you've done loads of research and spent hours in the library reading up on the subject. Of course, not all university courses require that kind of essay writing skills - it is mostly those who do arts & social science, law and business degrees who have to write essays whilst those doing the pure sciences, engineering, medicine and mathematics probably rarely or never have to write a single essay whilst at university thus it is not a skill that all graduates would have.

SK Pang may be a grown man (a father with children) but his writing style resembles that of a 15 or 16 year old - ie. in an secondary school exam, all you do is regurgitate stuff you've memorized and have this verbal diarrhea in the exam. So the question in a geography or history exam would be like, "Explain the factors which contribute towards the growth in the use of renewable energy. (10)" That's when the young student starts writing down everything he can remember about renewable energy in a frenzy against the clock, in a bid to score 10 out of 10 marks for that question. If you've written something totally wrong or irrelevant, the teacher may go as far as to mark it with a cross but no marks would be deducted. If you're half-right, then you may get half a point and if you have written down something that is both true and relevant to the question, then you get a tick and a point. Now you can pose that same question to a university student but the approach would be very different - the university lecturer would definitely penalize you for writing anything that is untrue, inaccurate, incorrect, if you fail to cite your sources or provide all the relevant facts & figures in your case studies. A secondary school teacher probably will let you get away with it - and this just makes me think that SK Pang never did any kind of social science beyond secondary school and maybe he went into something like engineering and never had to write a proper essay in his life - that's why the results are so atrocious.
University students do a lot of research when writing an essay

There is a reason why respectable newspapers around the world only hire the very best journalists, in fact I was talking to one of my readers recently about her quest to get a job at SPH as a journalist and it is highly competitive - they only hire the very best talents. That is how you maintain the quality of a very good newspaper: they are worried about GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). It's about quality control: you hire lousy journalists, your articles will suck. Now you don't need to be a genius to understand that very basic principle.

Now this is exactly the trap TRS has fallen into - in trying hard to capture the voices of 'ordinary Singaporeans' you've allowed the standard of your articles to fall dramatically. Like I said, it's not a question of pro-gay vs anti-gay: it's a question of allowing people who clearly cannot write an article the chance to have a go at journalism (with disastrous results) and you're the one who suffers ultimately if you're trying to stimulate debate because a poorly written article simply turns people off, it doesn't stimulate debate as well as a well written article that is a pleasure to read. The answer? Quality control - strike a compromise between capturing authentic voices and maintaining a decent quality of articles so that your readers have a reasonably good experience. Do you enjoy reading a poorly written article? No, clearly not - nobody does. Heck, only teachers get paid good money to mark badly written essays and even then they get pissed off in the process: why are you subjecting your readers to the same torturous process? What is the point? What are your goals? What do you achieve insisting on capturing 'authentic voices' like that?
Nobody enjoys reading a really badly written article. 

Correct me if I am wrong here, but the TRS is rather anti-PAP or at least it is trying to address the balance in opinion in the official media (which is overwhelmingly pro-PAP). What kind of message are you sending to the PAP (and other Singaporean readers) if you fill the TRS website with poorly written articles by inarticulate Singaporeans who are simply incapable of presenting a cogent argument?  The message they walk away with is, "look at this so-called alternative media, it's worse than the gutter press, that's why you should leave proper journalism to the SPH, that's why we need the MDA Broadcast Act - at least the SPH journalists there know what they're doing, unlike these idiots who write for the TRS." Really, you're shooting yourself in the foot, you're really sabotaging your own efforts when you sacrifice quality control in favour of 'authenticity'. You don't need the PAP to tear you down when you're going into self-destruct mode like this - and all this time, the PAP is standing back and watching you make silly mistakes like that with glee.

So I feel you're missing my point actually - frankly I don't really mind/care if SK Pang is homophobic or not - that is not the issue here. My gripe is you have accepted and published a shockingly badly written article without batting an eyelid and there should have been an element of quality control on your part (as the chief editor of TRS) when dealing with all articles you receive. Where do you draw the line when it comes to poorly written articles? You really need to start implementing some basic quality control ASAP because simply having this free for all "we're capturing the voices of real Singaporeans" damages TRS badly, really badly. What is the point of TRS at the end of the day - you need to think about some very fundamental questions like that and allow those principles to guide your stance on this issue.

As usual, I invite everyone to respond on this issue - that's what the comments section below is for. Thanks for reading!
Update, please follow up here: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/capturing-voices-of-sublatern-trs.html



13 comments:

  1. SPH is good meh? They once got my name and age wrong.

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    1. Let's see you try and get a job with them. Then come back and let me know if they're willing to hire you.

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    2. I didn't said that I am a good writer. I am just expressing my opinion of SPH.

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    3. Getting your name and age wrong does not make SPH bad or otherwise. I think Limpeh was talking about the reputation and quality of artcles churned out by SPH journalists. It's like saying CNN or BBC are bad news sources because they got your name and age wrong.

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    4. Thanks Di - I was having that kind of day when I couldn't be asked to give a nice explanation the way you did.

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  2. Hi Limpeh,

    Thanks for the detailed feedback.

    You are right, there is a lot more we could do to control at least the quality of writing in some of our articles and the poor quality of some of our article do indeed turn away more highly educated potential followers of our website.

    We are aware of this but have come to accept it as a trade off. Like you said, there is a balance to be had between representing the authentic voices of our readers and being a highly professional and credible website.

    The balance between these qualities will ultimately determine the type of readers we attract. I think that a good comparison might be TOC. From what I can gather, they have very good writers and their articles are highly intellectual and pleasant to read for your average university educated Singaporean. The problem on the other hand is that the lower educated, may actually find it difficult to follow some of the arguments made simply because the level of language used is too complex or there is an assumed background knowledge of the way laws or the economy works.

    The reality is that we can't please everyone, no matter how much we try. There is also a need for websites to find a niche. Since there are already other, more intellectual websites around, we feel it is important to also reach out to the 'Average Singaporean'.

    We may make some enemies along the way, but ultimately, we have to accept that too.

    No harm sharing with you that we are in dire need of manpower too. our volunteers come and go quickly and we are constantly in shortage of people helping to moderate our Facebook, website and such.

    Anyway, very impressed by your responses to us and many of our readers are big fan of your blog already. Hope to share more of your articles in the future :)

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    1. Thanks for your reply - I have a much longer reply (and the perfect reply to you because I think your justification is flawed) for you up my sleeve, please bear with me, I will get it out for you later. I feel I can only do it justice by writing it properly as a blog post, so kindly bear with me, thanks.

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    2. http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/capturing-voices-of-sublatern-trs.html there you go.

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  3. You should stop being so self-righteous. So what if TRS does what it does, are you a shareholder? Regardless of what you stand for, at least TRS allows both sides of the people to bash it out online, unlike some other publications we know of.

    You should learn to lighten up and not be a stiff-neck which is what your writing seems to describe who you really are. If it irks you so much to read what is being published in TRS, then there's other publications for you to spend your righteous time with where they are all a little more sikit atas like you.

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    1. You've jumped to some conclusions here Chris.

      Firstly, you've assumed that I am not a shareholder or have anything to do with TRS. I have clarified my stance here: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/capturing-voices-of-sublatern-trs.html I am a friend, I know some of the people there, that's why I am speaking out and offering constructive criticism. In fact my other reader Luck of Fire has pointed out recently, there are so many crap websites out there, why single out TRS? The fact is I am not in a position to influence those other crap websites out there not matter how I bitch about them on my blog - but I know that I am in a position to influence & change things @ TRS if I take a stance on the issue on my blog because of my unique relationship with them.

      So Chris you are WRONG in your assumption that I am just being self-righteous. You're WRONG in assuming what my motivations are.

      2. Despite my critical stance on the issue, the people @ TRS and myself - we're on the same side, presenting a united front against the state controlled pro-PAP SPH mainstream media machine. Like me, the people @ TRS stand for greater freedom of speech, greater political engagement and we believe in using social media to facilitate that - we may disagree on the details of how this process is carried out, but make no mistake: we are very much on the SAME SIDE, the anti-PAP side and that is always a good starting point.

      3. Their approach is very much guided by their (lack of) resources - by their own admission, they are a voluntary organization dependent on volunteers; whilst I am guided by my ideals and I can appreciate how their lack of resources means that their hands are tied on some aspects of the way they run their website, short of a wealthy donor funding them, giving them hard cash to hire paid members of qualified staff to perform those functions.

      4. Your pasar Malay is wrong - the phrase you're looking for is 'sangat atas' (very high class) not 'sikit atas' (a little high class). Translated into English, your sentence reads "where they are all a little more a little high class like you" - huh? You're said "a little" twice in English and Malay. You're like those people who say "the Huang He River" - the word 'He' already means river in Mandarin, so they're saying the "Yellow River River" which is redundant.

      You can't just throw in random Malay words just to sound funny, it has got to make sense. If you're trying to say that I am a only a little atas, then say it once either in Malay or English - or if you say that I should go to more pretentious atas websites, then you should be using the word 'sangat' (very) atas instead. I have read your sentence a few times and am still not quite sure where you're going with this misfired attempt to use Malay - please do your research or at least supply an English version of your sentence so as I may help you with your Malay translations.

      (See? That's me putting on the editor's hat to help a writer who has made a mistake. I'll give you the chance to correct your mistake rather than just publish your mistake and then point it out to the world).

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    2. Laughing my butt off, Alex! It's been entertaining.

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  4. I would love to see some very well written anti-gay articles. I tried to search it on Google but could only find news reports. Could you provide some links for me please? Not that I am anti-gay, just curious. Thanks in advance!

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    1. I'll dig some out for you when I have the time Amber - my point is that you can push any agenda as long as you present it in a format that looks respectable, that can stand up to academic scrutiny and it looks as if you've done plenty of research, consulted loads of experts, have loads of statistics, facts & figures to prove your point. It doesn't matter what your agenda is: gay rights, climate change, taxation, public transport - it doesn't matter which side you take, as long as you know the art of presenting a convincing argument to convince your reader, "oh I did not agree with this journalist's point of view, but look, he has presented a very convincing argument here on the basis of all this research he has gathered - maybe I should doubt my stance on the issue and believe the journalist instead." That is the art of lobbying, of marketing - of convincing people to change their minds about an issue. The key point is to never fall into the trap of, "I think that blah blah blah" - rather it is, "the world is blah blah blah, but hey don't take my word for it, here are some reports from the experts - even if you don't believe me, you must trust these experts". Some writers/journalists fail because they think they can personally persuade their readers to take the same stance on the issue (whatever the issue may be) - but the really clever ones put their egos aside and put the issue first and their mission is to get you to think a certain way on the issue, rather than to make you think they're such a great writer.

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