Firstly, ski resort accommodation is expensive. There is a premium to be located near the ski lifts - the closer to the ski lift, the more you pay. Hotels within walking distance from the ski lifts are usually very expensive - and if you have "ski in, ski out" facilities, that's when the price goes through the roof. Sometimes you can end up staying somewhere down the valley and still have to rely on buses and taxis to get to the ski lift anyway. This is because most hotels in the ski resorts do the bulk of their business during the winter ski season, compared to a hotel in the city which is open 12 months a year and you can always find good bargains for hotels in any big city.
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| That's me in Flachau, Austria in January 2014 |
Secondly, there's usually little to do in the evenings after you finish skiing. The lifts close at 4 pm so you usually stop skiing a little after that - so what do you do between then and bedtime? Well, many people make a big deal about the whole "après-ski" activities but I totally loathe it. For those of you not familiar with après-ski, let me explain what it is in a nutshell: you go to the pub and get stupidly drunk after skiing. It is a ludicrous concept: drinking on empty stomachs whilst wearing ski boots. Oh the number of accidents of drunk people tripping over their own skis during après-ski activities - as a teetotal person, I absolutely hate being in the company of drunk people.
Contrast that to being in a big city, there's so much more to do and see in the evenings: the theatre, the cinema, the ballet, the opera, shopping malls, spas - everything a big city has to offer. You will not find these activities in a ski resort halfway up the mountain. Evenings in the ski resort can actually be quite boring.
| In Salzburg city centre by night |
Thirdly, it is not just accommodation that is expensive in the ski resort - everything else is expensive. Take something as straight forward as buying a can of Coke in a shop - somebody had to drive that can of Coke halfway up the mountain. There are far fewer shops in the ski resort anyway and they are mostly catering for tourists rather than locals - so the shop owners do get away with higher prices. Restaurants cost substantially more than what you would pay in a city centre and you simply do not get as many choices.
Fourthly, if you want to experience a country's culture, the best thing to do really is to head on to a big city rather than a small town halfway up the mountain. Whilst some Alpine towns do have a long history, there are some resorts which are barely ten, twenty years old and everything is quite plastic and new there. If you are as interested as I am in culture, then why not get the best of both worlds by staying in a city instead of a ski resort?
| Limpeh in Salzburg, Austria |
Lastly, big cities will have their own airports and you can usually get from the airport to the city fairly quickly on public transport. Getting from airports to ski resorts could take anything from one to three, even four hours. Ouch. Do you fancy an eight hour round trip to the airport? Not me. No thanks!
I have reviewed 15 cities which have skiing facilities under one hour from the downtown area. I'm not interested in cities where you have to commute over an hour for the skiing - given that you have to go there and back within the same day, you don't want to spend more than 2 hours on the ski bus commuting to the ski area. That's too long. If I have missed out any city, please let me know! I want this list to be comprehensive and up to date.
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| In Flachau, Austria |
So in order to have a city + ski break, you need a city that is fairly near a ski resort. I have compiled a list here and will write about those that I have done in more detail, but am happy to answer any questions you may have about any of these 15 cities. These cities are ranked according to the following ten factors and will be given a score out of 100:
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area
- availability, cost and ease of public transport
- the quality of the city break component
- the quality and size of the ski area
- is there a language barrier for English speakers?
- how hard is it to get to this city?
- is this going to be an expensive holiday?
- how's the food?
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days?
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| In Lech, Austria |
1. Sapporo, Japan = 81
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area = score 10 (approx 4 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = score 10 (less than 20 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = score 9 (public bus)
- the quality of the city break component = score 9
- the quality and size of the ski area = score 10 (plenty to choose from)
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? = score 2
- how hard is it to get to this city? = score 5
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? = score 6
- how's the food? = score 10
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? = score 10
Now Sapporo wins this hands down despite scoring just 2 for the language barrier issue - Japan has some of the world's most modern ski facilities and you have a big choice of ski resorts within shouting distance of downtown Sapporo. In fact it is so convenient that some locals hit the ski slopes for 2 or 3 hours after work and before dinner. Sapporo is a fascinating city in any case and the food is stunningly good. Japan can be somewhat expensive but you get what you pay for. I say, if you are in East Asia during winter - book a ski break to Sapporo, just make sure you learn enough Japanese to get by, do your research before going - it is going to be amazing.
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area, score = 10 (10 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area, score = 10 (approx 15-20 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport, score = 7 (weekend shuttle not free for Le Relais, C$12 return trip from downtown - other resorts run some kind of shuttle as well)
- the quality of the city break component, score = 9
- the quality and size of the ski area score = 10
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? score = 10
- how hard is it to get to this city? score = 5
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? score = 6
- how's the food? score = 5
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 8
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area = score 10 (nearest 6 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = score 10 (10-15 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = score 10 (free shuttle bus)
- the quality of the city break component = score 4
- the quality and size of the ski area = score 10
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? = score 9
- how hard is it to get to this city? score = 7
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? score = 5
- how's the food? score = 5
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 8
Innsbruck's free ski bus service will blow your mind - it is so super well organized and it is completely free. The bus will pick you up from your hotel and drive you to this big car park, where you can then transfer to bigger buses going to the various ski resorts in the region, some of them rather near and others further away. Don't forget, Innsbruck hosted the winter Olympics twice in 1964 and 1976 - the facilities are amongst the best in the world. The ski passes are not cheap, nor is anything else, but the free ski bus service more than compensates for everything else, apart from the really bland food. Check out the photos from my 2012 trip to Innsbruck here.
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| Limpeh at Nordkette, Innsbruck |
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area = score 10 (10 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = score 10 (20-30 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = score 8 (bus)
- the quality of the city break component = score 9
- the quality and size of the ski area = score 4
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? = score 10
- how hard is it to get to this city? = score = 5
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? = score 6
- how's the food? = score 7
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 7
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area, score = 10 (1.5 km only!)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area, score = 10 (<10 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport , score = 10 (public metro/subway)
- the quality of the city break component, score = 10
- the quality and size of the ski area, score = 3
- is there a language barrier for English speakers?, score = 2
- how hard is it to get to this city? score = 4
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? score = 10
- how's the food? score = 6
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 10
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area = score 4 (64 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = score 6 (40-50 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = score 10 (free ski shuttle)
- the quality of the city break component = score 10
- the quality and size of the ski area = score 10
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? = score 2
- how hard is it to get to this city? = score 7
- is this going to be an expensive holiday?= score 5
- how's the food? = score 10
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? = score 10
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area, score = 10 (approx 6 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = 10 (approx 20 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = 10 (using public metro)
- the quality of the city break component, score = 10
- the quality and size of the ski area, score = 7
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? score = 2
- how hard is it to get to this city? score = 3
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? score = 6
- how's the food? score = 5
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 10
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area, score = 9 (20 km from downtown, 7 km from airport)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area, score = 9 (about 20-30 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = you can use the public bus, score = 9
- the quality of the city break component, score = 6
- the quality and size of the ski area, score = 6
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? score = 7
- how hard is it to get to this city? score = 7
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? score = 7
- how's the food? score = 7
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 5
Ljubljana actually scores quite well in this exercise despite not getting full marks in any of the categories. The resort of Kravavec is of a respectable size and within shouting distance of the city. It is accessible by public bus though it can be crowded on weekends. Slovenia is in the Euro-zone, so it is not as cheap as some other Eastern European destinations. Ljubljana is a rather charming city though it is rather small - I have actually done this a few years ago in 2010 and enjoyed this ski + city break as the locals were especially friendly and nice.
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| Limpeh in Kravavec, Slovenia |
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area, score = 9 (15 - 20 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area, score = 9 (20-30 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport, score = 3 (public bus is infrequent, you'll need a taxi)
- the quality of the city break component, score = 8
- the quality and size of the ski area, score = 9
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? score = 5
- how hard is it to get to this city? score = 3
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? score = 10
- how's the food? score = 8
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 7
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area, score = 9 (approx 15 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area, score = 9 (30 to 40 minutes)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = 6 (by public bus)
- the quality of the city break component, score = 8
- the quality and size of the ski area, score = 5
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? score = 4
- how hard is it to get to this city? score = 5
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? score = 8
- how's the food? score = 8
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 7
The ski resort of Vitosha is actually very respectable and it is just 15 km from downtown Sofia - however, transport is not straight forward as would have to change buses to get to the ski station and it can get crowded on weekends. You may be better off taking a taxi as it is not too expensive - however, do check with the locals as I have heard that Vitosha sometimes only operates on weekends as there are just not enough skiiers on weekdays to keep it open everyday. Sofia is a pretty interesting city so this is one city + ski break I intend to do hopefully in the near future.
11. Salzburg, Austria score = 68
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area = score 3 (about 70 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = score 5 (about 1 hour)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = score 10 (free shuttle)
- the quality of the city break component = 8
- the quality and size of the ski area = score 8
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? = score 9
- how hard is it to get to this city? = score 7
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? = score 6
- how's the food? = score 7
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? = score 5
The rather large ski resort of Flachau runs a free shuttle bus service from downtown Salzburg (the pick up point is by entrance of the Mirabell Gardens) and it is an excellent service which takes just about an hour to get you to the ski slopes. Flachau may not be the nearest ski resort to Salzburg but it is the only ski resort that lays on a free ski bus. Check out my vlog videos below for more on Salzburg and Flachau from my trip there last month.
12. Zagreb, Croatia = 67
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area = score 9 (approx 11 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = score 6 (30-40 minutes)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = score 6 (tram then special bus)
- the quality of the city break component = score 7
- the quality and size of the ski area = score 3
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? = score 5
- how hard is it to get to this city? = score 6
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? = score 10
- how's the food? = score 8
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? = score 7
There is a small ski area just north of Zagreb called Sljeme - I did this Zagreb and Sljeme city + ski break in 2012 and you can see the blog post here. I actually really enjoyed the break, though the skiing was quite limited but other aspects of Croatia made up for it. Nobody would go to Zagreb specifically to ski - Sljeme very much catered for locals only - though the ski pass there was the cheapest I've ever encountered (about 7 euros only for a day pass - that is super cheap). Zagreb is charming enough and will keep you fascinated for a few days at least.
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| Limpeh in Zagreb, Croatia. |
13. Oslo, Norway score = 66
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area, score = 10 (4 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area, score = 10 (approx 10-15 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport, score = 8
- the quality of the city break component, score = 9
- the quality and size of the ski area, score = 5
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? score = 9
- how hard is it to get to this city? score = 7
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? score = 0
- how's the food? score = 3
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? score = 5
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area, score = 6 (approx 40 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = 7 (approx 30 to 45 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = 2 (local bus is indirect)
- the quality of the city break component = 10
- the quality and size of the ski area = 5
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? = 2
- how hard is it to get to this city? = 7
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? = 8
- how's the food? = 10
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? = 10
Taken from: http://www.tour-beijing.com/ski/ski_resorts.php#.UtXUXdJdU1k
The only thing that does put me off skiing in Beijing is getting to Jundushan. There are local buses that can take you there: "Take Bus 345 zhi (345支) at Deshengmen Bus Terminal, then get off at 东关环岛 and change for Bus 21 and get off at Jundushan Ski Resort." But good grief, getting from your hotel to the bus terminal then changing buses with your ski equipment is a pain to say the least and the bus driver may not be happy with you lugging big bags of heavy ski equipment - a private taxi all the way to Jundushan and back is going to be rather expensive from downtown Beijing (about US$95). Ouch. And you thought China was cheap? Think again, these private transfers are expensive!
15. Reykjavik, Iceland score = 60
Okay, that's my list of 15 city + ski breaks for you. If I have left out any cities, please let me know - but remember my criteria is that the ski resort must be UNDER 1 hour from the downtown area. I hope you found this list useful, happy skiing everyone! Thank you very much for reading, have a great winter and enjoy the winter Olympics.
PS. If you enjoyed this list, check out my comparison of city breaks destinations here.
The only thing that does put me off skiing in Beijing is getting to Jundushan. There are local buses that can take you there: "Take Bus 345 zhi (345支) at Deshengmen Bus Terminal, then get off at 东关环岛 and change for Bus 21 and get off at Jundushan Ski Resort." But good grief, getting from your hotel to the bus terminal then changing buses with your ski equipment is a pain to say the least and the bus driver may not be happy with you lugging big bags of heavy ski equipment - a private taxi all the way to Jundushan and back is going to be rather expensive from downtown Beijing (about US$95). Ouch. And you thought China was cheap? Think again, these private transfers are expensive!
- proximity of the ski facilities to the downtown area = score 9 (approx 12 km)
- how long it takes to get from the downtown area to the ski area = score 9 (approx 20 mins)
- availability, cost and ease of public transport = score 3 (infrequent public bus)
- the quality of the city break component = score 3
- the quality and size of the ski area = score 6
- is there a language barrier for English speakers? = score 10
- how hard is it to get to this city? = score 5
- is this going to be an expensive holiday? = score 2
- how's the food? = score 7
- will I be bored after 2 -3 days? = score 6
PS. If you enjoyed this list, check out my comparison of city breaks destinations here.






Irrelevant but how did you deal with people digging your life up, "exposing", "CSI-ing" and harassing you? I think I am going to be "exposed" soon. I wish to learn how you cope with it. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteTalk about irrelevant but I'll answer anyway: what have you got to hide? In this modern age, particularly when you get to working age, you need some kind of public persona online, most of it is associated with one's work. For example, any marketing manager will have his/her name on websites/publications etc under the section, "for more information, please contact (name) at (tel number) or (email address)" - it's perfectly normal to be able to google someone these days, it is not the dark days of the 1980s pre-internet era.
DeleteMost people do this 'CSI' via google and they can only find what you put out there in most cases - so unless you're dumb enough to do an Anton Casey, ie. say something really offensive on social media; or did something shameful/illegal that you want to hide, then what have you got to be afraid of?
I will write more about this in a proper blog post, but the Chinese saying comes to mind: 平生不做虧心事,半夜敲門不吃驚。= if you have a clear conscience, what have you got to be afraid of? Look man, I don't know you at all (all I know is that you're a young Singaporean who reads my blog), but if you have nothing to hide, then what are you concerned about?
Full reply: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/your-personal-internet-footprint.html
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ReplyDeleteThanks for this comprehensive list. I have to agree on your top 1 and 2 because I have been there. It wasn't so much of a language barrier for me at these 2 places. In fact, for Beijing #14, even I can speak Mandarin, I always find it a challenge to travel within China without a proper guide.
I just came back from Harbin and it is a beautiful place less toilet hygiene and stuffs.
In any case, I like to draw your attention to FCWR, a program about matchmaking and I always enjoy watching for its cynical remarks.
Also, I'm somewhat preparing myself for my Tibet trip by listening to Jamyang Dolma, her voice is divine and therapeutic. Hope you like it too!
By the way, I like Peter, your interpreter friend. Please continue bring us interesting stories.
Thanks!!
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ReplyDeleteThanks for this comprehensive list. I have to agree on your top 1 and 2 because I have been there. It wasn't so much of a language barrier for me at these 2 places. In fact, for Beijing #14, even I can speak Mandarin, I always find it a challenge to travel within China without a proper guide.
I just came back from Harbin and it is a beautiful place less toilet hygiene and stuffs.
In any case, I like to draw your attention to FCWR, a program about matchmaking and I always enjoy watching for its cynical remarks.
Also, I'm somewhat preparing myself for my Tibet trip by listening to Jamyang Dolma, her voice is divine and therapeutic. Hope you like it too!
By the way, I like Peter, your interpreter friend. Please continue bring us interesting stories.
Thanks!!
Regards,
Berry
Well, do you speak any Japanese? Or are the Japanese more willing and able to speak English these days? It has been a very long time since I've been to Japan and back then, nobody spoke any English - so if the situation has changed, do let me know. Thanks.
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