Have I used Chinese in my work? Yes I have, but only a little. I could go weeks or months without speaking a word of Mandarin to anyone in London as I usually don't need it for my job - but once in a while, I may get a contract or project which does deal with China, then I would need to use my Mandarin just for that project. I remember back in 2005 and 2006, I did a long contract for a company who had a major project in Shanghai - so they needed someone who was bilingual to act as a conduit between the staff in the London office who didn't speak a word of Mandarin and the local contractors on the ground in China, so naturally, I was speaking Mandarin all the time then and doing a lot of translating. I was even translating press releases from English into Chinese, I was dealing with Chinese journalists, it was rather challenging since I practically haven't used my Chinese at all since I left Singapore years ago but I managed to do it. Ironically, my sister who works in Ang Mo Kio doesn't need to use Chinese at all for her work due to the nature of her job - business is conducted entirely in English despite the fact that most of her colleagues are Chinese.
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| Yes I dealt with the Chinese media in Mandarin! |
So would being able to speak Chinese help you get a job in the UK? Not really... It depends - firstly, it would be dependent on you applying for a job with a company who are currently doing business with China or with clients from China. Not that many companies actually do that - many companies deal only with domestic clients or simply do not target China as a market given that China is halfway around the world. Say if you're a small company making cupcakes. You would be looking at supplying local cafes, schools, hospitals, hotels and convenience shops with your cupcakes. You would not be trying to sell your cupcakes halfway around the world to China, so for such a company, Mandarin isn't relevant at all. The UK imports many things from China, but when you're buying stuff from China, they'll gladly deal with you in English - it is only when you want to sell to the Chinese, that you need to speak the language of the client.
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| Cupcakes = 纸杯蛋糕 |
Many companies in the UK do not actually target the Chinese market at all despite the fact that it is one of the world's fastest growing economies. Our main trading partners are the European Union and America - is the UK missing out on an opportunity here? Yes, probably, but there is no great rush on the part of British companies to hire Mandarin speaking staff to try to crack the Chinese market. It is not an easy market to crack - it is halfway around the world and there is a huge language barrier. Many British companies prefer to target markets closer to the UK in Europe and only move onto China after they have conquered Europe and America. In business you always pick the lowest hanging fruit first - the China market is a pretty hard nut to crack by that token.
Big British companies who are active in China will have an offices, branches and operations in China - so yes these people are need to hire bilingual staff, but these jobs are in their branches in China, not London. Furthermore, smaller British companies who do target China but do not have an office in China will often use a bilingual local agent or fixer on the ground.. He acts as the intermediary for the British company and the local suppliers, contractors, clients who do not speak English. So yes, there is work for bilingual professionals in British companies active in China - but those jobs are in China, not London. So that's good news for those Chinese graduates in China who speak English very well, but it doesn't help someone like myself in London at all.
So really, in the UK, jobs for bilingual English-Mandarin speakers are mostly those in the tourism industry, to cater to the needs of Chinese tourists who do not speak any or much English. So we're talking about staff in hotels or major tourist attractions, or say gift shops that target tourists. Bicester Village is a designer brands shopping outlet in Oxfordshire that is very popular with Chinese tourists. Indeed, many of the shops there do have Mandarin speaking staff to make the Chinese big spenders feel at home and enjoy the shopping experience.
But we're not talking about jobs very high up the food chain I'm afraid, we're talking about shop assistants or hotel front desk staff who are hired specifically for their Mandarin language skills whilst the big boss is usually someone who doesn't speak any Mandarin. The fact is these hotels, designer boutiques or tourist attractions don't need to be run by someone who speaks Mandarin in order for them to be successful - all they need is some staff who speak Mandarin to serve the Chinese customers and these service jobs are not particularly well-paid or high up the food chain.
However, it is very hard to depend on just your language skills to make a living. Really, you need to establish yourself in an industry as say an engineer, an architect, a doctor, a fund manager or a designer - then whatever other ancillary skills you have on top of that will help you stand out from the crowd. So for example, if you are an engineer who speaks Mandarin, then your company can send you to China to work on a project knowing that you would be a lot more useful there than someone who would face a major language barrier dealing with local contractors. If you are a fund manager, then the ability to speak Chinese would enable you to identify investment opportunities in China that would not be found by those who do not speak the local language. Mandarin (or any other foreign languages) can enhance your abilities and complement the skills you already have in your profession.
The ability to speak Mandarin can be useful under such circumstances, but it is of very limited use if all you have is the language skills and nothing else. So focus on establishing your career in your chosen profession first and either you have the language skills or you don't but don't put the cart before the horse. So things may change in the future if more British companies start targeting the Chinese market or if we see a significant rise in Chinese tourists in the UK, but for now, no, it's not particularly useful.
Let me end by saying this: way back in 1985 when I was 9, my late granduncle said that in the future everyone would learn Mandarin as China would become the next world's economic superpower. He said that to encourage me to make a greater effort with Chinese at school. Well, China may be a world economic superpower today, but there has been no rush by the rest of the world to learn Chinese - this is simply because Chinese is by far the world's most difficult language to learn and many who have tried to learn it as a foreign language have failed and given up. So my granduncle was wrong and English is still the global business language of today and the future no matter how successful the Chinese economy will become.
People like my granduncle and father do speak Mandarin fluently so they would love to imagine and believe that they do possess a skill that will be useful and relevant in the business world of today - thus people like them are hopelessly optimistic about the importance of Mandarin in the business world. It's not about me not being in touch with my Chinese roots - this is me putting on my pragmatic business hat and saying that we should not exaggerate how useful the Chinese language actually is in the UK. You can't compare it to a place like Singapore where the majority of the locals speak Mandarin, then yeah of course it is far more advantageous to speak Mandarin in Singapore - but not in the UK.
So that's it for today, I told you it was going to be a short piece! I am working on my next vlog piece - I will rush one more vlog piece out before I leave for Oman in exactly one week!
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| Whoopee! I'll be off on a 4 week long holiday soon. |






If I want to go to UK to teach Mandarin, do I qualify? I do have a degree in Chinese Language and Literature but it's from, sigh x infinite, SIM.
ReplyDeleteHi there. Let me explain this to you step by step.
DeleteStep 1: You need a teaching qualification - teaching is a skilled profession, it is not sufficient to be a fluent Mandarin speaker with a degree in Chinese lang/lit.
Step 2: You need teaching experience. So I hope you've been teaching Chinese for a while in Singapore.
Step 3: Once you've done steps 1 + 2, then you can hunt for a job and start applying for teaching positions in the UK as a Chinese teacher.
Step 4: You need a JOB OFFER from a company (say a language school or university) who are willing to hire you as a teacher and sponsor your work permit.
Step 5: Your employer will then sort out your work permit for you and once that's kaotim, then you can start work.
How far down the process are you at the moment? Have you done steps 1 + 2?
By that token, where your degree is from doesn't matter... As long as you have a valid teacher's training qualification in Singapore, then that's good enough for you to qualify.
Here's the warning I would give you though: the demand for Chinese teachers isn't great - most people are shying away from Chinese because it is very difficult and very few people are trying to learn it. There is a growing number of young children who are subjected to it say at the age of 7 or 8 at school as an after school thing, ie. 4 x 60 mins a week. That's because the parents are saying, "I can't learn Chinese, I'm too old and it's too hard, but if my child starts very young, maybe s/he won't realize just how bloody hard it is and have an attitude problem." That's where the bulk of the work Chinese teachers are at the moment - teaching young kids, rather than adults. Just thought I'd warn you in case you wanted to teach adults.
Hi LIFT, thanks for the reply.
DeleteNo. I have not done step 1 + 2. Reason? I remember a conversation with my sister, who is a primary teacher, a while ago. Here's how it goes:
Me: Sis, ask you something.
Sis: Shoot.
Me: What's the size of our class today?
Sis: About 35 - 40
Me: What's your class size when you are in primary school?
Sis: About 35 - 40
Me: I thought they are intending to lower the teacher to student ratio? Why so long liao, ratio still the same?
Sis: (Awkward silence for 5 seconds) It's like that one lah...
There we go. After this conversation, I totally gave up on MOE and hence, the teaching qualification. Since there's no 1, how to have 2?
Hi Chee Ming,
DeleteSorry, you need to consider getting 1 (ie. qualify as a teacher in S'pore) then if you wish to go down the path of becoming a teacher - you can't really get around it I'm afraid. The UK's doors are opened to skilled migrants and teachers are indeed skilled migrants.
Ironically, where you got your first degree from is irrelevant, as long as you have a valid teacher's training qualification and Singapore is probably the cheapest place for you to do it right now (unless you wanna go get it in somewhere like China - I don't know anything about it ...) but given that you intend to teach Mandarin in and English-speaking environment, I can't think of a better place than Singapore for you.
Why does a big class size put you off?
Hi LIFT, sorry for the wee bit late reply.
DeleteWhy does big class size put me off? I kapo your bell curve for a while.
If the class consist of students from the right end of the bell curve, whether it's by nature (天生丽质难自弃) or nurture (well, 勤能补拙), yes, class size is not an issue. What happen if the class consist of student from the wrong end of the bell curve? If you have 40 students, chances are, you will have 35 different problems (some students have the same problem). How does a teacher cater for all students within the limited time? Of course, educators can adopt a "Too bad you sux" attitude, let the students become nobodies, then proclaim that they leave nobody behind, literally. Singapore education system doesn't really cater well for students who can't catch up (I must clarify, NOT all school adopt the "Too bad you sux" approach). After all, schools and teacher have KPIs (which are quantifiable factors, like how many students pass their exams) to keep up with, which is tied to how much bonus they will get, which also affects the chances of them getting a higher pay rise or that very elusive promotion (I mean, how many HODs are there in a school?).
So naturally, the more ambitious (and tend to be better) teachers will go "Jesus, Buddha, Ti Gong, I promise to be a good person. Bo bi bo bi, please give me a good class" and chances are, they will get what they want (because HODs sees them as good future leaders and wants to nurture them). While that leaves those "Aiyah, good students bad students also like that, I take salary niah" teachers to take up the not-so-brilliant class (Not saying these teachers are bad, they are probably not as good). This eventually leads to the good gets better and the bad got worse.
Anyway, the conversation with my sis is NOT really about class size. It's about how promises were made and delivered. It had been advertised that teacher-to-student ratio are to be reduced, teacher-to-student ratio are to be reduced, but when it's time for a small examination (like the short conversation with my sister), they failed quite spectacularly. If the boss can fail that way, it can only mean 1) the boss lied (can't resist not to insert meme, inserts the "Blueberry man" meme); 2) the boss is incompetent; 3) both 1 and 2, an incompetent liar. It boils down to this question, would you work for such a boss?
Hi Chee Ming, I see what you mean. This is very interesting for me as my parents are retired teachers who have spent a lifetime teaching in Singapore. They got by, were happy enough with it but I think part of that comes with the fact that they are not the kind of people to question the system - the less questions you ask, the happier you are because you can then occupy your mind with happy thoughts on other things in life that are good (as opposed to your large class sizes...) I also have an old friend from Singapore who became a teacher (he had a teaching scholarship in fact) and he eventually left teaching after he served his bond and he told me the way the MOE treated him was pretty awful (long story, maybe I'd share it for another time...) You know, surprisingly, he never mentioned anything but large class sizes - he had other things to complain about, bigger fish to fry!
DeleteIf teaching is indeed your calling, then it is a shame that the system is putting you off to this extent. The thing is that in a place like Singapore, there's really no other way to get around the MOE thingy - even teachers who operate in the private tuition business often gain kudos for having once worked within the system, though some who are more specialist (eg. French for A levels for example) manage to by-pass that. Maybe if you can find your niche (Chinese for Angmoh kia who has attitude problem when it comes to Mandarin ...???) then you can bypass the system? It is about thinking outside the box at this stage for you.
I am also going to reproduce our conversation as an article and then invite other teachers (I know I have some readers who are teachers!) to comment and I am sure they will come up with helpful suggestions for you Chee Ming.
All the best :)
Actually hor, there's a way to get to Stage 1. Just take the teaching diploma as a private candidate. Doing that will incur a 17k school fee. Well, there's one cool thing about doing that. You can taunt your classmates for a year (the NIE diploma last a year) as you do not need to serve the 3-years bond which they must to serve, unless they say, "limpeh wu lui to break bond."
DeleteBut spending 17k for a bragging right for a year? Bloody not worth it.
dude, it gives you higher tuition rates.... you can work it off part time.
DeleteAnd like it or not, NIE and bond is pretty risky. Esp if you're not a NUS / NTU grad. For MOE teachers, the payscale for NIE diploma vs NIE degree vs NUS / NTU degree with a postgrad NIE diploma is much different, if I can recall.
And if you fail practicum more than twice....hor hor! hong gan liao. Pay 100k ++. Basically, in English, you're fucked if you fail.
Basically, getting into NIE is like an exercise in personal risk management.
Hi, You mentioned that your sister doesnt use chinese in her workplace.
ReplyDeleteBut why do you think so many employers ask for chinese speaking or bilingual staff in job ads.
Cos my friends from other races say that its just to get chinese people to apply for jobs since the law says one cant specify race in job ad.
I kinda wonder why would anyone need to be conversant in chinese for most jobs? Most locals can speak english even some of the old people.
Hi Peter. Well, my sister does speak Mandarin and Hokkien - but the fact that she has Malay and Indian colleagues means that she speaks only English in the workplace so as not to confuse or alienate her colleagues who do not speak Mandarin.
DeleteI wouldn't go as far as to suggest that there is an implied racism in the demands for requiring that a job applicant speaks Mandarin - many older Singaporeans do not speak English. My father for example, can't speak English, won't speak English, hates speaking English and refuses to speak English. So when he goes to a bank for example, they would need to find someone who can speak Mandarin to serve him otherwise it would be impossible for him to get anything done.
It just so happens that in my sister's job, she is not facing the public at the end of the day - she deals in a B2B environment (business to business) rather than a B2C environment (business to customer), so for her, the other businesses she deals with are all also English speaking - hence even though she can speak Mandarin & Hokkien, she doesn't need to.
But if you're working in a B2C environment, then for the sake of older Singaporeans like my dad, it would be necessary to speak Mandarin at least (Malay, Tamil & Hokkien would be hugely advantageous as well). Maybe in 20, 30 years when people like my dad are not longer around, then sure we can thrive in an English only environment, but with the current influx of PRCs, that's never going to happen - not in our lifetimes anyway. Mandarin will always be an important, vital language to all in Singapore and not being able to speak it will be a disadvantage.
The fact is older non-English speaking Singaporeans like my dad and the PRCs do have money and if you want their business, you have to serve them in Mandarin. In business, there's the saying, "the language of business is the language of the client." You want my dad's business, you want my dad's money, you jolly well speak Mandarin with him and not English.
ha, I said about the same they never believev me. I show them your answer. thank you.
DeleteJust to share my observation/experience in B.C., Canada: "Chinese" as in Mandarin is not very useful here. "Chinese" as in Cantonese, on the other hand, is rather useful if one wishes to work in ethnic-Chinese dominated companies (e.g. T&T Supermarket chain, Chinese restaurants, Chinese association-related companies, etc). For one of my current nursing jobs, the job interview was done partly in Cantonese to verify my language ability as most of the clients are Cantonese-speaking.
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