Wednesday, 5 December 2012

London vs Singapore: NHS Hospitals

Okay as you guys know, I sprained my ankle pretty badly last night. This morning I woke up and it felt even worse - in fact, I woke up several times last night just from the sheer pain of the ankle. Each time I moved a little in the bed, the pain would wake me up. I dealt with a few things for work and by 11 am, when I tried to walk to the toilet and it was just agony and I realized - I need to get a doctor to look at this ankle, it just hurts way too much. If it is just a torn ligament, then fine that will heal, I just wanted to make sure the bones weren't fractured. Yes, it is fractured - but not seriously, my foot is not in a cast, phew. It hurts less now but I am on painkillers.

I'm going to talk about the NHS in the UK here and it is fucking sad that I have to put this disclaimer here, but you Singaporeans are fucking asking for it. For you Singaporean fuckwits (not all of you, calm down, just the fucking idiots), I know the NHS is funded by the tax payer you fucking idiots. Stop fucking telling me that the NHS is funded by the tax payer - I am a UK tax payer for crying out aloud for you fucking Singkie idiots. Is that clear? The NHS is funded by the UK tax payer - by people like Limpeh, yours truly. Moving on...
I had to go get an X-ray at UCH today. 

I talked to my buddy VC in Singapore this evening and we discussed a few things, comparing Singapore and London. He told me, "oooh NHS, you know what we think in Singapore. LKY said they nearly killed his wife when she had an emergency in London back in 2003."I vaguely remembered that story and looked it up on the internet and it seem that there are two versions of the story: the one which is broadly reported in the British press and the savagely racist anti-British hateful versions that Singaporeans have been trading on social media (such as forums). Now what happened to LKY's wife was nine years ago, I don't really want to comment on that case as it's history. I do however, want to share my day with you so you can see what a person like me would have to go through after sustaining an injury in the UK. I'm not here to justify or praise the NHS (yes I know there are problems with the NHS that we can talk about - no system in the world is perfect), but in sharing my story here, I will let you make up your own mind on the British NHS system.

Tuesday 8 pm: At my gymnastics club, I landed a front handspring front layout somersault full twist with my left foot on the edge of the mat and rolled my ankle over. I keeled over and grabbed my left ankle as sharp pain shot through my body. The main was so overwhelming I don't remember much... I seem to remember Kat standing over me saying, "Oh damn, he's hurt, he's hurt real bad. Ice pack, quick somebody go get an ice pack." My friends Liane, David and Tom then carried me over to a mat and Kat gave me an ice pack and she said, "Don't move, don't get up."
Wednesday 9 am: After a restless night (barely able to sleep because of the pain), I got out of bed and started doing work stuff. Trying to walk even from my bedroom to the toilet or the kitchen was agony. I kept telling myself, it'll get better - it didn't. Talk about wishful thinking, eh?

11:15 am: I decided this is ridiculous, I can't even walk to the toilet or the kitchen. I need to get a doctor to have a look at this. I didn't fancy going to the hospital - the thought of going to the A&E and waiting ages horrified me. So I decided to go to the local GP, hoping that the GP would tell me that it's just a sprained ankle, go home and rest. I finished my coffee, emailed my colleague Sylvie and told her to man the fort as I was going to go to the doctor's for the rest of the day and got dressed for a cold December's day.

12 noon: I hobbled into the local NHS clinic at Soho Square, only to realize, shit I have not registered with them since I moved to Soho. The nurse looked my name and date of birth on the NHS system and was able to find my old records on their system anyway - so I could be seen.

12:05 pm: A nurse interviewed me and did a preliminary examination.
"Yes that ankle looks very swollen indeed."

12:08 pm: (approximately) I was about to do a Facebook status update on my mobile when the doctor called me into surgery and I thought, damn that was quick. The doctor examined my ankle, poking it with her finger, "Does it hurt when I press here? What about here? And here?" I said, "No, no, no, no... Not really. No. A bit. AAAAARRGGHHH! Yes it hurts a lot there." The doctor said, "That's bone there. You need an X-ray. The nearest hospital is UCH (University College Hospital). Go to the A&E and they will give you an X-ray and only then can the doctors there confirm if that ankle is fractured and prescribe the right treatment."

12:30 pm: I left the Soho NHS clinic.

12:50 pm: Arrived at Warren Street station and crossed the road to UCH.

12:53 pm: Arrived at UCH A&E. Took a look around the waiting room and my first thought was, "oh damn, crying babies and toddlers". To my surprise, there was no queue. I walked up to the counter and the lady behind the counter asked me, "Have you been a patient at this hospital before?" I said, no I don't think so. She then asked me for my date of birth and surname and she was then able to give me my address from 2000 and I was like, "Yeah, I used to live there but that was ages ago." She said, "You attended the eye clinic in 2000 - we still have you on file, if you would update your details for me on the system, we'll get you seen to. But there is going to be a bit of a wait - this is A&E and there are people who need urgent medical attention..." I nodded - I had expected nothing less. I have brought my Welsh book with me and was prepared to wait.
The doctor will see you now...

1:15 pm: Marek the nurse called me in for an initial examination - he had a long Polish surname which I cannot remember. He spoke English flawlessly with a slight hint of a Slavic accent and if I hadn't noticed his surname, I might have missed the fact that he was Polish. Yes we do have a lot of foreigner working in the NHS and they're brilliant. How would we cope without them? He said, "Okay, we're going to get you an X-ray now, then we will get a doctor to have a look at your ankle with the X-rays."

1:20 pm: Marek led me to the X-ray department and there was a boy with his arm in a cast ahead of me. The boy was obviously in a lot of distress and his father was trying his best to comfort the boy. "What happened to your son?" I asked the father. "He was playing football at school this morning and..." The father didn't get to finish his story - the X-ray technician called the boy's name and they went into the X-ray room.

1:25 pm: The boy with his arm in a sling left the room with his father, who gave me a nod and a smile. The X-ray technician also had a Slavic sounding name and had some kind of Eastern European accent. Czech or Slovak maybe... Polish... Maybe Lithuanian. She was business like - in and out, loads of people with dodgy limbs and possibly broken bones to X-ray. "Please wait outside, we have your X-rays now and a doctor will see you when available."
I had to get my left ankle X-rayed ...

1:30 pm: I settled into a chair in the waiting room and scanned the people in the room. There was an elderly Indian lady with her entire family there, fussing over her. There was a mother with a very restless girl - the child refused to sit still and was crawling everywhere. Her mother looked exhausted, "Polly, come on, Polly! Sit down, please! Mummy is not going to go chasing after you! Polly, put that down, come here! Etc." Her mother looked dreadful and I quite honestly couldn't tell if it was the mother or the daughter who needed to see a doctor.

1:45 pm: There was an old man at the counter who demanded that the receptionist gave him his medical records for his doctor. "I came to this A&E 6 months ago and I need the records for my doctor, what treatment you gave me, the prescription for the medicines, all that." The receptionist said, "Sir, we cannot do that. You have to get your doctor to write to us to request that information and we will send that to him. We are obliged by law to protect the data of all our patients." The old man was not happy and argued with the receptionist, "But these records are about me! They are about my body and what treatment I got here!" The receptionist got one of her colleagues to take the old man aside and speak to him in another room. I was thinking, "come on old man, there are so many people here who are very ill - stop giving the receptionist a hard time, she has a job to do."

2:05 pm: I saw a woman on a stretcher being wheeled past me. She was obviously in agony - there was a nurse with her, trying to get her details. Urgent cases like that would obviously get to jump the queue and get seen immediately.
"Doctor, this man has his legs stuck behind his legs..."

2:20 pm Another patient in a wheel chair is pushed past me and was seen by a doctor at once, I have resigned myself to a very long wait. I was contemplating getting some ghastly looking snacks from the vending machine.

2:30 pm: Finally I got to see a doctor - an old man with fuzzy grey hair, Dr Crombie. He examined my ankle whilst looking at the X-rays - he then said, "I think there's a small fracture here, but I am going to get an orthopaedic specialist to take a look at these X-rays and get his opinion, so if you don't mind waiting over there please."

2:40 pm: The orthopaedic specialist and Dr Crombie have been speaking, pointing at the X-ray. The orthopaedic surgeon poked my ankle but spoke only to Dr Crombie.

2:50 pm: Dr Crombie said, "We think there is a small fracture on your ankle, right here on the X-ray, but we have concluded that it is so small it is practically like a hairline fracture and isn't serious enough to warrant any treatment. The ligaments are torn but those will heal in a few weeks. We will give you a compression bandage to support that ankle of yours and you must rest. You must also take some anti-inflammatory drugs like Ibuprofen, which you can get from any pharmacy. If you're not significantly better after a week, then by all means, please come back and see us and we'll X-ray that ankle again. But you should be much better in a week or two."
I needed some anti-inflammatory drugs.

2:55 pm: About two hours after arriving at UCH A&E, I left with my left ankle in a compression bandage.

Here's the bit which stunned my Singaporean buddy VC. Here's the cost breakdown for today.

Consultation at local NHS Clinic: £0.00 FREE
X-ray at UCH for my ankle: £0.00 FREE
Consultation at UCH with doctor and orthopaedic specialist: £0.00 FREE
Compression bandage: £0.00 FREE
2 packets of Ibuprofen from Sainsbury's: £0.70 (£0.35 each)

Total cost: £0.70 (S$1.37)
I spent the grand amount of £0.70 today for my medical treatment. 

Now VC has had various problems with his foot over the years and he is no stranger to the hospitals in Singapore. He couldn't believe that I only had to pay for my prescription and everything else was free. In his words (and I quote), "Alamak in Singapore, get X-ray: pay! See doctor and get X-ray not covered in medisave leh, my medisave pun tak pakai" (Translation: Goodness me, in Singapore, if I have to get an X-ray, I have to pay. If I have to see a doctor and get an X-ray, that's not covered in my Medisave - my Medisave is not valid for it.")

Perhaps some of my Singaporean readers can help me out here as I am perplexed - what is the bloody point of your Medisave if you cannot use it to cover things like seeing a doctor or getting an X-ray? I have to thank my reader Winking Doll who is a nurse and she has shared the following information with me (and I quote, from her comments):
At the hospital, waiting for the X-ray 

"Maybe I was bloody unlucky. I could have died if I followed the advice of an A&E doctor at a Singapore restructured hospital back in March-2009. http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2009/08/pneumonia.html

When I was doing my A&E clinical experience at a Singapore restructured hospital in Dec-2008, I have seen patients arriving just before 8am who were still there waiting at 3pm just to see the doctor. Actually, for those cases, it would have been better if they went to a polyclinic or a private GP, the A&E was too busy to meet their needs -- and it wasn't just a once-off "bad day" situation. Just so you know, upon arrival at A&E all patients are required to pay SGD90 before they get to join the queue."


For me, I don't have to pay for any of my NHS treatment because it is publicly funded by the tax payers. VC was further impressed by the turn around time of 2 hours flat, including X-rays and seeing a specialist. He said, "You know, in Singapore, we have this impression that the NHS is falling apart... I'm just surprised you didn't have to wait months in a queue for this? Amazing. What's the whining Bullshit from Papalee about NHS almost killing his precious wife and with its long waiting times then?"
Why do Singaporeans dislike Brits and can't wait to put Brits down?

Sigh. I have written about this before. Maybe it's a Chinese thing. Allow me to quote myself from a previous post to explain the Chinese concept of "咒" - to curse someone:

"When I was in primary school, I would hear kids say things like, "我咒你 PSLE不及格!" (I curse you to fail your primary school leaving exams!") Of course, this whole thing about putting a curse on someone could be dressed up in far more colourful language, but you get the idea. To 咒 someone is the act of telling the other party that you wish great misfortune to befall them. It is meant to be taken as an insult, rather than a serious prediction. None of us have any Harry Potter type super powers to make our curses potent."

Now I can see how a racist Singaporean would gladly 咒 the NHS in the UK - "I 咒 the NHS and all the patients who have to rely on it!" But a curse like that... doesn't work. Just because you wish for some great misfortune to befall a person or country doesn't mean it would somehow automatically happen - some people go to great lengths to make such curses come true, dabbling in the occult and black magic. But no VC, the fact that some Singaporeans have cursed the NHS and the UK doesn't change anything - I still had a remarkably good experience today. Okay my ankle still hurts a lot, but the kind of service I got (for free) exceeded my expectations by a very long way.
"I put a Chinese curse on you!"

So there you go, I thought I'd just share my experiences from the last 24 hours and let you be the judge. It has been ages since I've visited a hospital in Singapore - mind you, I used to make quite a few visits to the Toa Payoh Hospital A&E as I had loads of gymnastics accidents back then. But rather than compare my experiences in Singapore back then - why don't you tell me about your experiences with Singaporean hospitals? Have you been to a hospital in Singapore recently? What was your experience like? How long did you have to wait and how much did you have to pay? Were you satisfied or disappointed? Leave a comment below, many thanks.


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  1. Hi LIFT,

    Maybe I was bloody unlucky. I could have died if I followed the advice of an A&E doctor at a Singapore restructured hospital back in March-2009.
    http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2009/08/pneumonia.html

    When I was doing my A&E clinical experience at a Singapore restructured hospital in Dec-2008, I have seen patients arriving just before 8am who were still there waiting at 3pm just to see the doctor. Actually, for those cases, it would have been better if they went to a polyclinic or a private GP, the A&E was too busy to meet their needs -- and it wasn't just a once-off "bad day" situation. Just so you know, upon arrival at A&E all patients are required to pay SGD90 before they get to join the queue.

    The public healthcare system in Canada is similar to NHS. Treatment at the hospital is free, but take-home prescriptions are out-of-pocket (i.e. pay yourself, unless you're poor enough to qualify for subsidy). The main issue in B.C. is we don't have enough surgeons, so "elective" surgery (e.g. insertion of PICC line) gets postponed time-and-again. E.g. I met a patient who had to be warded in an acute surgical unit, fast from 12midnight in preparation for a minor surgery, only to be allowed to eat dinner each day (for several days in a row) as her surgery was postponed repeatedly. That said, acute life-threatening cases cut all queues and get their interventions fast. In addition, the rehabilitation services here are awesome. E.g. SG-Quitter is just one of many who recovered the use of their limbs after a stroke. IMHO, for the universal healthcare alone, immigrating to Canada is like striking lottery.

    The final irony is that nurses in Canada (and UK) are not discriminated in their pay based on their passport, unlike in Singapore (which implements all sorts of unfair HR practices in the name of keeping cost down). In fact, Canada has strong and effective unions and enforcement of workplace safety laws to provide safe and conducive working environment for all staff. Singapore is no match in the way it treats its nurses (both local and foreign-trained ones).
    http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2012/12/equal-pay-for-equal-work-in-singapore.html

    Cheers, WD.

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    1. Thanks for your insightful post WD. Interesting you mentioned the issue of equal pay regardless of nationality , I look forward to reading your post on it as it's been a hot topic in SG and I've been talking about it a lot on my blog.

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    2. Hi LIFT,

      Thanks for your response. I am not planning to write a long post regarding equal pay for equal work in Singapore, but I did write a short post on the unequal pay and labour abuse in Singapore healthcare. It is in the url below.
      http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2012/12/equal-pay-for-equal-work-in-singapore.html

      Yes, I agree with you that once a foreign labour has jumped the required hoops to enter the job market, they should compete equally and be paid equally. That way, the employers will not be incentivized to recruit foreign labour over local labour as a cost-cutting measure.

      Thanks for your article here that breaks the myth of the "horrors" of NHS. IMHO, many blinkered Singaporeans need to wake up from the propaganda and smell the coffee. As you wrote below in reply to Devil, what are the odds of everyone in your family being hale-and-healthy all throughout their lives?

      Cheers, WD.

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    3. Exactly, even if I am healthy now (touch wood, yes I am healthy) - who knows what the future may bring? Needing this X-ray for my dodgy ankle reminded me that if something did happen to my health, there is a safety net in terms of healthcare. Sure it's not a perfect system, sure it is a system with some faults, but I'd rather have a safety net with a few holes than no safety net at all.

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  2. Hi LIFT,

    I just had a taste of the Singaporean health system a month back - my sister had intense back pain and went to the A&E of a government hospital where she waited four hours to see a doctor. The doctor diagnosed her with kidney stones, and said they couldn't do anything more for her til her next appointment a month later. They sent her home with painkillers. We were quite horrified but my sister was prepared to wait it out.

    A couple of weeks later, my sister presented with a fever together with the back pain. We thought this could be getting serious and immediately took her to another government hospital (further from home, but of better reputation). We waited three hours to get seen. Lo and behold, they decided there was absolutely no indication of kidney stones, and told us they were not sure what was causing the pain and fever. They will ward her and run a series of tests to find out.

    Two days later, they figured it was a case of appendicitis, and she got the appendectomy done with little notice. Turns out the appendix was not inflamed, and she still has back pain. They are now thinking maybe it's a trapped nerve. It's reassuring to know the patients are treated with aggressive pre-emptive strikes, by which the process of elimination involves hollowing out parts of the body. Maybe Intern George needed some surgery hours.

    The A&E visits cost over a hundred dollars each, and the hospital stay + surgery cost in the region of three thousand dollars.

    The quality of Singaporean health service is impressive indeed, I'm in absolute shock and awe over the ineptness of it all. I'm amazed we need to pay for it at all; for this quality of health service, I wouldn't do anything here even if it was free. Not even if they paid me. It is little wonder Singaporeans say it is better to die than to be sick - with a little help from the health service here, I'd imagine this death wish is pretty easy to fulfil... And we'd have to pay as well.

    In the UK, I once sliced open my hand by mistake while preparing some food. I used to live with the medics, doctors in training, and they told me I definitely needed stitches. I trooped off to the A&E, got seen in 30-45 minutes, and got the stitches I needed. Cost? Absolutely nothing.

    I've had an acquaintance whom had his jaw crushed in a bar fight, he got his jaw repaired by the NHS, they came, they took him and fixed him up. They just went about and gave him the medical attention he needed, and when he came to, they sorted out the paperwork. He didn't have to pay anything.

    In Singapore, we witnessed an accident right in front of a private hospital, who wouldn't give him any medical aid because they have no details on his insurance and if he could pay.

    NHS vs Singapore healthcare? I know which one I would pick, any day.


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    1. Hi MSO! Thanks for your post - yikes, your sister's story horrifies me. I have already in response to Devil's comment below how I feel about the Singaporean system.

      I guess those who are lucky enough to be healthy (and for their family members to be healthy) and not require much attention from the hospitals would gladly defend the S'porean system - they pay less taxes in Singapore, but say the moment something serious happens, a hospital bill could wipe out their life savings and maybe even force them to sell their home to pay for vital treatments for something like cancer.

      Singaporeans may be cagey about gambling at the casinos in Marina Bay Sands or Sentosa, but they are all playing one big gambling game with their health - it's called "don't get sick". I'm not here to defend either system, I just wanted to share my story to show what the British NHS system is like but already, on Facebook, I'm already being called a cocksucker who loves Angmoh cock so much it is affecting my judgement about healthcare policies. How can I possibly reason with Singaporeans like that?

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    2. Fucking hell, that's really fucking rude, those comments on FB (if you don't mind that rude expression).

      But that's the thing, the quality of debate or critical thinking isn't very high here; people often use flaming and personal attacks as a response, instead of debating over the points made. Trying to discrediting someone in a personal capacity doesn't contribute anything to an issue; it also doesn't invalidate the intellectual points made. Trying to discredit them in a pretty lowbrow manner e.g name calling is just sad; did we even evolve beyond kindy?

      I think they should appreciate the fact that you showed them what other countries are like, there is no shame in saying look at where we can do better. Especially in things like healthcare, where does ego even have a place? Perhaps for these people, they don't mind being dead and "patriotic".

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    3. Aiyah, I am used to that kinda bullshit lah, that's why I have stopped participating in forums and these discussions on FB because I know that's how people behave - instead I blog and if they have an axe to grind, they know where to find me.

      Like I said, sure Singaporeans pay less taxes because you're not getting freebies like A&E - but at what cost? It's a gamble, you're gambling that you're totally healthy and don't need any medical attention until the day you die (make sure it's swift and sudden, not some kind of slow, painful death from illness). But who can guarantee that? Don't we all know someone who has had a car accident or is coping with an illness like cancer? For someone who's already in a difficult and challenging situation with their health, should they also face financial ruin when they get the medical bill?

      I think it boils down to compassion. Can you look the other way and say, "other people have cancer or kena car accident not my business, why should I pay more taxes for their medical bills?" Or can we as a society say, "I am healthy, I am working and earning and income, I can afford to pay a bit more income tax to create a safety net for those who are in a terrible situation with their health and needing to visit a hospital." What kind of society would you rather live in?

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  3. I haven't been to A&E recently. But from what I heard recently, the wait in SG is easily 4 to 7 hours for non-life threatening situations.

    I'm not sure where the connection with racist SGrean is drawn. I think some SGreans has a skewed impression of NHS not because of racism but very much because of propaganda. Every now and then you see articles in gov-controlled media saying how our services are one of the best in the world coupled with less than flattering examples of service lapses in other first world countries.

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    1. Hi Devil, I know you're not racist - but let me put it to you this way. A friend of mine in S'pore shared this very article on Facebook because he wanted to see what his S'porean friends thought and boy, he got an angry reaction. The kind of reaction he got was "this fucking idiot doesn't realize he is paying for it through his high taxes" (hello? I stated clearly in my article that the NHS is tax payer funded and I am a tax payer.) Another said that I was so busy sucking Angmoh cock and getting fucked by Angmohs that I didn't realize when the system is fucking me over ... you get the idea, some (not all but some) Singaporeans are so racist that anyone trying to praise an alternative system is either a fucking idiot, an SPG or somehow wrong.

      The socialist system we have is DIFFERENT I grant you that, sure but is Singapore better? I don't think so. I didn't even want to engage those people on Facebook because they are not capable of having a civilized conversation about the issue - they are incapable of disagreeing with me without getting personal & insulting me. They're either very immature or insecure - probably both. Yeah the system in Singapore is good if you never ever have to visit a hospital and are in perfect health until the day you die - but what if you end up ill? What if you have a major accident or if you have something like cancer or diabetes?

      Such is the nature of Singapore - the government doesn't care about those who are not deemed to be economically productive, yeah pay less taxes, fuck those who need cancer treatments but cannot afford it. Let them die, they're no good to Singapore anyway. They can't work, they're just gonna be a drain on resources to delay their death, right? How would you feel if that was your mother or father we're talking about? But no Singaporeans don't wanna think about that ... usually by the time they do, it's too late.

      Yes it begins with propaganda, but it ends up as racism in the end. Singaporeans are the most racist people in the world I swear.

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    2. I agree SG health system sucks. You basically got to be able to afford your own insurance to live with less worry.

      I am not sure if those immature or insecure loud/foul mouthed online people are a good representative of SGreans or if SG has a larger than usual share of such people. I just try to ignore them. I guess net anonymity tends to amplify the hateful messages.

      As to the racism bit, I actually think that SGreans are become less racists or absorbing of propaganda. More SGreans than before have traveled, studied, or have had some working stints abroad.

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    3. Thanks for your comment. I remembered that my parents joined the civil service at a time when free healthcare was guaranteed even after their retirement, so they're covered still, even if they are retired, phew. So yeah my parnets are fine ... But as for my autistic nephew who needs a lot of therapy, neither my sister nor my brother-in-law works in the civil service, so they pay full whack. Ouch.

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  4. Aww bless you. I hope you recover soon! The swelling does look really bad though, best thing you should have tried is acupunture. I had a slip once while walking in the rain and ended with an almighty swollen knee. Went to see an Acupuncturist in Camden and miraculously the swelling went down after the acupuncturist poked a few needles on my swollen knee.

    As for LKY, there are so many private hospitals in London why oh why did he sent his late wife to Royal London. What an arrogant man!

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    1. Hi Adam. Thanks for your kind words. It's much better now. I can walk and the swelling has reduced a lot.

      LKY's case: she needed a CT scan and he was advised that the best and only place to get it in the middle of the night (it was about 1 am when she had a stroke) was at Royal London then. So when he got there, there were 4 heart attack patients who were even more critical than his wife, so the hospital was like, I don't care who you are in your country, I don't care who you know, we prioritize patients on the basis of their medical need. So LKY had his "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!" moment and made phone calls to the SG high comm who in turn started waking up anyone and everyone he could in the British government... In Singapore, his wife would've jumped the queue even if there were 1000 dying Singaporeans, but it was this snub by the British doctor (HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!) than truly pissed him off. That's why he was upset lah.

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    2. Hey Limpeh, thats good to know youre getting better. :) When I was working in singapore years ago, our company used to do PR for Lee and Lee. Got nothing against his wife as she seems to be genuinely a nice woman but LKY is like that character from the simpsons - Mr Burns. Lol. He swears all the time. His favourite swear words are fuck and stupid. He is racist. And to be honest the only reason why he is still alive today is because of the regular blood transfusions he receives at Mt Elizabeth. In simples. HE is a VAMPIRE!

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    3. Outta curiousity Adam, are you gonna go back to S'pore eventually or are you here to stay in London? :)

      -4 this morning - I love it!

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  5. Hi LIFT,

    I'm a long time reader, finally decided to comment! I'm currently a medical student in London. The NHS is not the perfect system but its free at the point of contact and we get things done (eventually)! Although I'm not sure where its heading with the Health and Social Bill. I hope you get well soon!

    The Singaporeans that were so quick to criticise the NHS, I find really odd since I know lots of people who complain about the SG health system but it reminded me of an incident that happened when I was back home. I was chatting with a local med student and somehow ended up discussing the pros/cons of each system. He suddenly got really defensive and was quick to attack me like I was an outsider. I've been in both systems and they each have their own problems.

    I find it really odd that LKY chose to send his late wife to the Royal London A&E, I can't imagine him in the east end with the rest of the Whitechapel crazies. I use to walk past the patients (still in their gowns, occasionally on drip) standing outside the front of old victorian building having a fag (sometimes with the doctors) and then having to walk through A&E with the drunks to get to lectures. Fun times! Don't get me wrong, I love being in the east end and have lived in the east since I came to London.

    Side note to Winking Doll, I love your blog too! Canadian Health System sounds pretty amazing. And I know never to piss off nurses, they run the wards. Some idiot on my placement pissed off a nurse and they gave him hell. But generally, nurses are the nicest people I know!

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    1. Hello there and thanks for your comment. This whole thing about Singaporeans being overly defensive ... it is a sign of insecurity. I hope you are enjoying this cold winter we're currently having - I'm still waiting for the first proper taste of snow this winter ...

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    2. Hi Chronomatic,

      Thanks for visiting my blog and your compliment.

      The Canadian Health System is similar to NHS. We have similar issues like long wait times for non-life threatening issues. That said, on the whole, as LIFT puts it, "I'd rather have a safety net with a few holes than no safety net at all".

      > He suddenly got really defensive and was quick to attack me like I was an outsider.

      Yeah, I have similar experience too. That's why I hardly write or comment on Singapore on Facebook anymore. It's like just because I am now a Canadian PR, and that I question some of the Singapore policies, that makes me no longer a Singaporean (or worse, a traitor). I have lived decades of my life in Singapore (since birth) vs 2 years in Canada, yet some of my Singaporean friends/acquaintances already "kicked me out" of Singapore citizenship in their minds. Go figure!
      http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2010/08/facebook-exchange-what-it-means-to.html
      http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2011/05/facebook-one-citizen-sheep-attempts-to.html

      I agree with LIFT that the defensive Singaporeans are behaving so because of their own insecurity. Anyway, as long as we enjoy life wherever we are, we can ignore those small-minded folks. Have a good time in London!

      Cheers, WD.

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  6. I broke my shoulder (or to be precise the greater tuberosity of my right humerus) a year and a half ago. I did not require any complicated treatment, just rest in a sling. I work in an NHS hospital in England as a radiologist, so I saw the orthopaedic surgeon (a colleague) and got the imaging (from my colleagues) without delay and my experience may not be typical.

    There was a possibility that I might need surgery, which fortunately I did not, but I never gave any thought to having to pay anything (apart from taxi fares to work when I was not driving) and it was only some time later that I realised that had I been in Singapore, undergoing surgery would not mean the operation etc, but also the bill. It never crossed my mind at the time. For all the faults of the NHS, I consider it a privilege to live in a society where free healthcare is the norm. As for taxes, I consider taxation the price you pay for living in a civilised society.

    This charming video from 1948, when the NHS began, explains the founding principles of the service http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfHjiLEEk9g
    and I do like this clip from Michael Moore's "Sicko" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbAWNnGSVCw

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    1. Thanks for the insight and sharing your story Peng Hui :)

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  7. I actually had a couple of pretty decent experiences with a Singapore hospital near my place...went to the A&E twice in the middle of the night with really bad stomach cramps which weren't food poisoning related, was warded and treated promptly (less than 10 min i think? Was in really bad pain so I wasn't keeping track), and even though I paid $90 it covered all the various scans, treatment, and medicine they gave me. In fact my mom and I were pleasantly surprised by how low the cost was, haha, perhaps because we had this idea that A&E treatment is expensive and the $90 is the barest minimum for minor stuff.

    For a sprained ankle about 5 years back, I waited a couple of hours for an x-ray in the afternoon and paid $80 which included all the painkillers, bandages, etc.

    That said, I'm quite intrigued by the system in UK and Canada. I always had the impression it was terribly inefficient but maybe that's just the propaganda we receive in Singapore.

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    1. Hi XH, thanks for sharing your experiences. I think we're both lucky in that we've only needed to go to A&E for relatively minor ailments that could be treated within hours and sent home. I think the real acid test is for those do go in for something major - how much would it cost them? If say someone got hit by a truck and went into A&E in S'pore with 2 broken legs, how much would the operations etc cost the patient?

      It's the triple whammy of first being hit by a truck, then being hit by a huge hospital bill for the treatment (at a time when you can't work because you're lying in a hospital bed) that scares me about the Singapore system. Imagine if that hospital bill is the equivalent of a month or two's salary ... for rich people that's no problem lah, but what about for ordinary folk who can't afford it? What happens then?

      As for the propaganda in Singapore - the PAP is vehemently racist and hates Angmohs so much. They have such a post-colonial chip on the shoulder than looking down, mocking, despising Angmohs seems to be a national obsession to the point where it totally clouds your judgement. Sure there are problems in the NHS, no one is saying that it is the world's most perfect system. But Singaporeans discredit themselves by simply focussing on the problems rather than the good points.

      Like any country's health care system - there are good points and bad points, it's a mixed bag of good and bad points that comes with this package. I can probably point out loads of good points about the Singaporean health care system as well but I almost feel obliged to focus on the bad points here, because I already know that you are biased against the system in the UK and Canada. Can you see how propaganda has affected the both of us by that token? I'm like, "XH has been brainwashed by the PAP's lies and bullshit, I must convince him/her otherwise that the PAP are total liars who are filling his/her head with lies, lies, lies and more lies." Did I mention that the PAP are fucking liars?

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    2. Yup I understand the whole thing about PAP's propaganda. That's why I used the term "propaganda" in the first place. And I'm not biased against NHS-style healthcare systems! No need to be so vehement about it lah. I just don't know enough about it because I didn't know anyone who has used the NHS until I read your account, and that's why I'm quite intrigued. Saying something good about something Singaporean doesn't mean I'm anti-foreign. Gosh I didn't know I had to specify all these before I commented:( I just thought it'd add to the discussion, given you were talking about comparing hospital visits for minor ailments.

      Actually I'm still trying to decide if I'm for or against the whole idea of welfarism. We ordinary folk still have a safety net if we're properly insured, and I hear you pay like 50% taxes in Europe. But what I do think is that what's provided in Singapore is ridiculous--it's like you can just go and die if you don't have money, which is kind of sad in a society that calls itself civilised. Anyway I need to state right off that I'm really not an expert on this stuff. I was just sharing my hospital experience cos that's what you actually asked for at the end of your post.

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    3. I have to correct you XH. We don't pay 50% tax.

      Tax is progressive, ie. it's a sliding scale. For the first http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Income_tax

      The first £8105 of income is tax free.

      Then for the 8106th pound to the 34370th pound that I earn, I am taxed at 20% only.

      Then income coming in at £34,371 - £150,000, one pays 40% income tax.

      Anything over £150,000 is taxed at 50% (to be reduced to 45% in the next spring).

      Since I don't earn £150,000 a year, I am never taxed at that rate of 50% which you talk about. That's for super rich people.

      So if a man earns £150,001 a year, then only the £1 out of £150,000 is subjected to 50% tax. The rest is subjected to various rates as the income comes in and the average is probably around the 20-30% mark, not 50%.

      Let's say an engineer earns £50,000 a year - a v respectable salary that's like S$100,000 a year. The first 8105 is tax free. Then he pays 20% for next £26265 earned = £5253 in tax. Then for the remaining £15630, he is taxed at 40% = £6263.

      Hence total income tax bill for a man who earns £50,000 a year is £11,505 = 23.01% This is still higher than Singapore of course, but it is not 50% like you have stated. There is a huge difference between 23% and 50% and again, I am afraid you have fallen victim to PAP bullshit lies (aka propaganda) in terms of income tax in Britain. They are trying to give you the misleading image that hardworking folk are seeing half their income disappear on high taxes - when really, say a junior nurse who earns £21,176 a year (at entry level) - let's do some maths here.

      First £8105 is tax free. Then the next £13071 is taxed at 20% = £2614.20

      Income tax bill of that nurse earning £21,176 is £2614.20 = 12.3%

      Note how the junior nurse's income tax rate is just 12.3% compared to your engineer who earns £50,000 - his income tax rate is 23%.

      It just takes some simple maths to do the calculations and figure out your taxes - I know cos I've spent all day doing my tax return. It's not rocket science, we all pay income tax and it is important to know what you're paying rather than just see the money disappear on taxes.

      So please, no more vicious lies about high tax rates in Europe. Enough slander on the European states. Yes the income tax rates are higher than in Singapore, but there is no need to spread lies and untruths about the income tax system here when all the info about our income tax rates are in the public domain.



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    4. Oh and did I mention that the junior nurse's education/training would be sponsored by the state? There are some brilliant programmes to help "key workers" in occupations like nursing and teaching gain their qualifications - all paid for by the state, of course.

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  8. hello! just started reading your blog and I find it very well written and engaging so do keep it up!

    I'm a Singaporean studying in the UK as well and I've got to admit that I've quite bought into the 'crumbling NHS' line that we've been sold in Singapore but strangely that's more to do with anecdotes I've heard here rather than anything back home (I didnt do the mandatory 'social studies'). A Welsh friend of mine shared a horror story of NHS doctors mangling her grandmother's leg surgery so bad she can never walk properly. I recently tore my ACL and another British friend advised me to go to a private clinic and told me to stay clear of the NHS. So I haven't heard many good things about the NHS (anecdotally), strangely it seems like the people i've heard trumpeting the virtues of the NHS the most are those who come from relatively privileged backgrounds, aka they may never actually have used the NHS. Also it was quite infuriating to find out that despite having a very bad cold I couldn't see the GP at my designated NHS surgery because the earliest appointment was a week away.

    I'm not nearly qualified or knowledgably enough to comment on the UK NHS system vs the healthcare system in Singapore but I must admit I was about to post a few Guardian links here to balance the pro-NHS sentiment on this post! However a quick google changed my mind quite quickly.

    So just to leave you before I start to ramble here's a disturbing link about NHS bed overcrowding
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/02/hospitals-full-bursting-nhs-report

    and a quick link to learn why that's bad
    https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2010/193/5/hospital-bed-occupancy-more-queuing-bed

    but most interestingly, a look at Singapore's data which, on first glance (my math is appalling), seems to suggest that our bed occupancy rates are actually as bad if not worse than the UK! With the exception of Alexandra hospital which is private if i recall correctly.
    http://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/statistics/healthcare_institutionstatistics/Beds_Occupancy_Rate_BOR.html
    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1179718/1/.html

    thanks for stimulating my interest in this topic!

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    1. Hi Samuel. I'm not here to defend the NHS and of course I watch the news as well and do hear about all the problems with the NHS. It is not a perfect system and I never said it was - but despite all it's flaws, it does have its virtues and I have used it and was impressed. I don't know why your friend warned you about NHS when you tore your ACL - to be honest, my gymnastics club is rather close to UCH (university college hospital) in Euston, London and whenever we have any accidents in the gym (well it is gymnastics), we will call UCH, they will send an ambulance which will turn up in a flash and whisk the injured gymnast to the hospital if it is serious. If the gymnast is 'walking wounded', then we'll pack the gymnast off in a taxi rather than get an ambulance. UCH has always been brilliant.

      Then again, I suspect that it's because someone's had one bad experience and then they will always remember that bad experience and it taints their judgement. I shall give you an example. Once on a Zurich - LHR flight, a flight stewardess on Swiss (Airlines) was rude to me. I was so upset I complained and got a letter of apology. So if you were to ask me, "oh Limpeh, how's Swiss as an airline, any good?" I'll be like, "they're all fucking rude!" But there are so many Swiss flights every day, not everyone would encounter that rude air stewardess, many actually do have pleasant experiences. So they wouldn't tell you that they're fucking rude. So we often universalize our experiences.

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  9. Okay, fair enough, good to know, thanks for the detailed information:) I'm really not trying to attack you here or the UK system. In fact I never posted with the motive of trying to challenge anything you're saying or "spreading lies". All I did was share my own recent experiences as per your request, and I acknowledged that I honestly don't know very much about healthcare and taxes. Also I'm happy you guys receive good healthcare and am interested in understanding how it works, hence I read your blog entry, and posted a comment for the first time ever thinking I could contribute to the discussion. I am glad, that I learnt something new today, and thanks for that.

    I repeat, I am NOT and was NEVER biased against the UK system, and neither do I slavishly support the Singapore one. I initially formed an erroneous impression that it would be very slow given the number of people seeking free treatment, but changed my mind upon reading this blog post.

    LIFT, your responses to my comments are a little over the top. I certainly don't think I'll be commenting again on your blog because you're not very friendly:P I brought up a couple of very common misconceptions we have in Singapore. I mean, it's your blog, I know anything I post is going to go through you, and you'd have your say. Seriously, it's not very nice to be accused of trying to spread "vicious lies". Also, you just jump on one point I casually make, get really riled about it, and make sweeping assumptions. Like how in my first post I was just musing on how it's intriguing that the reality is so different from SG propaganda, and you assume I'm biased against the UK system and respond accordingly. When did I ever imply bias? In that first post, I acknowledged that I once believed the propaganda but now doubt it after reading your account. That's not bias. Perhaps you need to read comments more carefully. I'm not arguing with you about which system is better. It's like you had an axe to grind and I just happened by. (BTW, I'm anti-PAP myself one okay. But growing up in the school system here, you have to unlearn stuff along the way, figure out which is fact and which is propaganda, which I'm perfectly willing to do.)

    You can just delete the second half of my comment if you prefer, since it doesn't exactly contribute to the discussion at hand. I just thought you could consider this feedback on your commenting style. Hope you're not the kind of person that cannot accept criticism:)

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    1. Hi XH, I cannot edit your comment or publish only half of it - blogger does not allow me to do so for good reason. After all, I should not be able/allowed to edit your comment - you wouldn't want me to put words in your mouth, would you? I have the options to publish or delete and I chose to publish it.

      As for the issue of propaganda, my anger was more generally directed at Singaporeans who hear something which may be inaccurate or misleading (eg. 50% income tax) - and instead of verifying if it is true, they then treat this hearsay as fact and use this piece of info (which could be completely wrong) to justify their arguments. As I have demonstrated, the engineer earning 50k is taxed at 23% and the junior nurse at just 12.3% - neither is taxed at 50%. It also wouldn't be fair to tax the richer engineer and the junior nurse at the same level, would it?

      It's nothing personal I assure you - it's just that so many Singaporeans make this mistake (propaganda?) and my parents are amongst them. They say such crazy shit about the Britain and I'm like, hey I'm your son, I live in London - why don't you just ask me to verify those facts rather than just assume the very worst of Brits?

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