Friday, 5 October 2012

Property season part 2: Get real Singaporeans

Since I have posed that last article on getting on the property ladder, I have been alerted to another post on Yahoo Singapore written by Ryan Ong on the same topic. I am going to do a quick response to that article - thus it would make sense for you to read that article first, so you know what I am disagreeing with.

1. "You Can’t Take Advantage of Low Interest Rates"

According to the article, whilst interest rates are low, the reason why many Singaporeans cannot take advantage of them boils down to the fact that "to get this low interest rate, you need a bank loan. But a bank can only loan you 80% of your home’s market value, max. So to buy a $400,000 flat, you need to make a down-payment of at least $80,000 in cash. Yeah, why don’t you just reach in your back pocket and get that?"
There are strict rules regarding mortgage applications.

Now, let me tell you why I have a problem with this line of reasoning. It is so flawed in so many ways I am convinced that the writer Ryan Ong is ignoring basic economics and just trying to stir up anti-PAP feelings. Don't get me wrong, I hate the fucking PAP so much that I had to emigrate, rather than spend my most productive working years in PAP land. However, I am also a very pragmatic businessman who understands basic economics and I am appalled that Ryan Ong of Moneysmart Singapore can come up with something so utterly ridiculous just to appeal to typical anti-PAP Facebook groups like "Remove Tin Pei Ling as an MP"  and TherealSingapore.

Ryan, do you remember why we are in a recession in the first place? Do the words "subprime mortgage crisis" ring a bell with you at all? Let me jog you memory - back in the heady days of the mid-2000s, there was a property boom and banks were giving out loans to people who were clearly not credit worthy. This was mainly in America but it also happened in other countries like Ireland, Canada, Spain and Greece as well. They were given 100% mortgages, even 110% mortgages. After all, they had assumed that as long as these people got on the property ladder, the increase in the value of their property would automatically make them richer by virtue of the fact that they are a home owner, regardless of their ability (or rather, their inability) to repay the mortgage. There was a feeding frenzy on the property market as everyone wanted to get in on the action. Much of this debt was repackaged and sold on as CDOs - spreading the amount of people exposed to this subprime mortgage bubble that was about to burst. 
Then came the crash in late 2007 - what happened? That's right, these folks on low income who couldn't get a decent deposit together defaulted on their mortgages and banks suddenly found themselves with a glut of property repossessions. The recession kicked in and more of these folks who should have never been given such huge mortgages in the first place defaulted and it was a vicious cycle, that sent the world into a deep, painful recession that we've yet to emerge from - remember? 

What is the moral of the story? You shouldn't give mortgages to people who simply cannot afford - we're not talking about a loan to make a more modest purchase, like for a car or for a university course. Getting on the property ladder is a big commitment and the whole subprime mortgage crisis was fuelled in two parts: firstly, a sense of greed on the parts of the banks to get in on feeding frenzy that was the property market. Secondly, there was a sense of entitlement by folks who were on low-income who think, "why shouldn't I have a home like rich people? Just because I don't earn a lot of money, does that mean I am not entitled to be a home owner as well? Why isn't the government or society taking care of me? I am entitled to these things, give me this, give me that, gimme gimme gimme just fucking give it all to me damnit, I don't wanna fucking work for these things, I want somebody, anybody to give it to me for free." 

There are meant to be checks & balances in the system that should prevent such people from getting a mortgage on a home they clearly cannot afford. "Sir, you want a $950,000 mortgage for a condominium but you barely earn $4000 a month and you have two children and an elderly mother to support. On top of that you already have an existing car loan and a student loan that is yet to be repaid, so how do you intend to repay this mortgage when you barely can make ends meet?" Yup, but such was the case back in the pre-subprime mortgage crisis days. It was not that those who defaulted on their mortgages were all on low-income per se, rather they were people who simply had over-extended themselves financially when they already had other financial commitments, such as children and existing loans. One cannot live on credit indefinitely because of interest. Oh yeah, you think the banks are just going to let you borrow money out of the goodwill of their hearts without charging you any interest? Dream on. 
Do you understand how mortgages work?

This is why there are rules for banks to prevent the banks from lending you anything more than 80% of your home's market value. That 20% deposit is a demonstration of your ability to repair the rest of your mortgage, it is a safeguard to make sure that only those who are financially sound are given mortgages. If you can't find $80,000 in cash, then tough shit - you are not ready to buy a flat. Newsflash: you can't freaking afford it (regardless of what Ryan Ong seems to think.)  Get real. You're not entitled to nice things you can't afford. Go work for a few more years, get that promotion, sort out your financial situation then think about buying a flat in five years' time. 

After all, as we say in Chinese, 良药苦口, literally "the bitter medicine is good for you". It may not be what you want to hear, but it makes complete sense. What do you think happens to the folks who default on their mortgages? Losing one's home like that can be an extremely traumatic experience that turns one's life upside down and affects the entire family. Just ask anyone who was in that situation! Let me show you how things can go desperately wrong despite the very best of intentions. Here's a true story. 

I have a friend, let's call him Zee. Now Zee had a relative who passed away a few years ago and he was left her home - Zee was a young man who had just started working then and he thought, wow I am instantly on the property ladder. Now Zee's aunt had left him a mortgage as well, which he inherited with the house. He had two options - he could either sell the house off and take the money, or he could keep the house and continue to service the mortgage. The thought of becoming a home owner was too tempting so Zee decided to keep the house. 
Zee didn't know what he was getting himself into when he inherited his late aunt's house.

However, Zee was not earning as much as his late aunt and was struggling to meet the mortgage payments. In a desperate bid to keep the house, he started borrowing money to service the mortgage and soon, it was a vicious cycle. He then found that he couldn't repay the loans he had taken to service the mortgage, so he had to borrow even more money to service those loans. Zee was sentimental about the house for it reminded him of his late aunt. He found himself stuck a big house with a lot of debt and eventually, he surrendered and said, "Okay okay, I give up, I can't do this any more. I'll sell the house and pay off all these loans." 

Guess what? His aunt bought the house at the peak of the property boom and had paid too much for it, the best selling price Zee could get wasn't even enough to pay back all of those loans. Do you know why? That's right: he had to pay a lot of interest on those loans! Well, he managed to repay most of it from the sale of the house - but he is still in debt today, trying to work off the remainder those bad debts. So instead of inheriting a big house worth a lot of money, he lost a lot of money instead simply due his bad decisions. He had bitten off way more than he could chew in taking on his late aunt's mortgage - he should have simply sold it off the moment he inherited it, that way, he would've had a small deposit for a very small, modest flat which he could afford, rather than his aunt's rather nice house. 

Now the problem with the Singaporean property market is that there are virtually no cheap options - Singapore is a city state and flats in places like Tuas or Kranji may be somewhat cheaper than the ones closer to the CBD, but they are simply not far away enough for distance to be a significant factor. In my previous post, I talked about how property prices in Northampton (107 km from London) are about 20% that of central London's and the equivalent for Singapore would be Ayer Hitam (107 km frm Singapore) where you pay about 5% of what you would in Singapore. Londoners who cannot afford to buy a home in London will routine move out to somewhere cheaper like Northampton to get on the property ladder. If you are not prepared to move to Ayer Hitam to get on the property ladder, then the sensible thing would be to manage your assets wisely in the meantime and save up until the day you are able to afford a property on mainland Singapore. 
Ayer Hitam, Malaysia: 107 km from Singapore
2. Insane Sellers’ Expectations

"Resale flats get pricier by the week. You’ve seen the stories about the million dollar flat ; and some property agencies keep stoking that fire. Sure, they’ll claim it’s an irregularity. But some will add a “maybe” to it:  This is a freak show, but just maybe, in X years, we’ll see more million dollar flats. Who knows, who knows. Hey, their comissions aren’t going to pay themselves."

Where was Ryan Ong during that economics 101 lesson? There's a very simple response to this - if you're not happy with the price, then don't pay lah. Duh. I had the same bullshit when I was entertaining the idea of buying my neighbour's flat. I had it independently verified via an estate agent friend of mine who priced it at about the £500k mark and told me that I shouldn't pay more than £499,999.99 for it because of the stamp duty threshold. My neighbour asked me for £575,000. I said no, that's way too much. I was hoping for him to come down in price but no, he refused. Instead, he taunted me about not being able to afford £575k. And I was like, duh, if I can afford £500k, then I can afford £575k - it's not about me not being able to afford it, I can get the money but I just want a fair price. In the end, I ended up buying another flat in town for a great price whilst my neighbour's flat is still on the market at £575k.

Another flat in my block recently went for £490k recently and that was a far more realistic price as the flats are identical - it's just on a lower floor. I didn't believe that being a few floors higher would add £85k to the price. Guess what? My neighbour still refused to budge on the price and to date, he has failed to find a buyer. Why? Because all it takes is a bit of research to find out what kind of prices similar properties are fetching and you're highly unlikely to find a sucker who will pay an extra £85k for your flat. Sure there may be a few idiots who will pay a lot more than what a flat is worth - but these are indeed irregularities. Come on, we're talking about a very large sum of money here, how many idiots are there out there with this much money to spend on property? Idiots tend not to be able to accumulate this much wealth to speculate on the property market in the first place. 
Your home is probably going to be the most expensive purchase in your life. 

I have had a look at the million (S$) dollar flat in Queenstown that Ryan Ong has mentioned - it's huge, it's in a good location and the price does sound right for a flat like that. However, Singaporeans have this knee-jerk reaction when it comes to HDB flats, they have that sense of entitlement that these flats should be 'affordable'. What a fucking joke - this sense of entitlement doesn't alter the rules of engagement when it comes to the private property market, particularly the resale market. Sure the nice properties in Singapore will fetch in excess of S$1 million - what's new? Did you expect properties to remain super cheap in spite of population growth and inflation? What planet are you living on? Did you seriously expect the PAP to artificially depress property prices for you Singaporeans? Like really? 

It's not just properties - the same principles apply to retail as well. I was in a shop just yesterday when I saw a rather nice tie and I thought, ooh that's a nice shade of blue. I picked up the price tag and the moment I saw it, I thought, no way, it's nice but it's not that nice. I'm not paying that much for it. I put it back and walked away. It's not that I couldn't afford it - it's just that I had a price in mind the moment I laid my eye on that tie and it was then a matter of how close the actual price matched the price I had in mind. The more I liked the tie, the higher that price would've been in my head. It's basic consumer instinct - everyone loves a good deal, a bargain. Nobody wants a bad deal - I was prepared to forgo that nice blue tie than to have paid more than what I thought it was worth. I hate getting ripped off. I hate a bad deal and I knew I could go shopping elsewhere and get equally nice ties at a better price. 

Likewise, when a seller puts an insane asking price on a flat, they risk the same reaction. People are going to react in exactly the same way I reacted when I saw the tie - they're going to say, "that's a nice flat/tie, but the price is crazy compared to other flats/ties on the market, I am going to go elsewhere to get my flat/tie - bye!" The bottom line is this: if you are serious about selling your flat, then you have got to be reasonable in your pricing strategies or risk not making a sale at all. I remember another man looking at the same tie at the same time as I did - and like me, he walked away too after having seen the price tag. 
How much would you pay for a nice tie?
3. The ABSD Didn’t Work

Anyway, the ABSD made foreign buyers pay 10% stamp duty on their property. As it turns out, this hindered the rich to the same degree that a toothpick would hinder an attacking polar bear


Okay for those of you not in Singapore, ABSD stands for 'additional buyers' stamp duty' - basically, the ABSD made foreign buyers pay an extra 10% stamp duty on their property. It was never really designed to be a deterrent to stop foreigners from buying property in Singapore (given how the Singapore government has taken a very expatriate-friendly stance) - but rather, it was just another measure to raise more revenue for the government. An additional 10% stamp duty is hardly a deterrent for those who can afford it - rather the question that should be asked is what the government has done with the money raised through ABSD. Has it been spent on public housing? Has it been channelled directly into helping low-income Singaporean with housing issues? Or has it simply gone into a big pot of government revenues to be spent on a range of issues that may or not have that much relevance with housing?

Call me cynical, but whilst the Singapore government is really good at raising revenues for their coffers (COE, ERP, ABSD, CPF, GST etc), it is a means to an end. ABSD was never ever going to cool the property market down and if you actually believed that it was going to have that effect, then good grief, you're incredibly naive. As far as the government is concerned, it has worked for it has raised a tidy sum of money for their coffers through ABSD. 
Like, seriously, what were you expecting from this lot?

Even without ABSD, local property prices were going to shoot up anyway because of the scarcity of land. The population has more than doubled since the mid 1980s but the supply of housing is limited by the fact that Singapore is but a small island. What did you think was going to happen to property prices when you combined those two factors eh? I hate to attack a fellow blogger like that, especially one who is clearly attacking the PAP. Believe you me, read my blog, I hate the fucking PAP too. I have been vehemently anti-PAP on my blog since I started blogging. However, Ryan, you've neglected some very basic economic principles - especially that on the issue of deposits vis-a-vis the subprime mortgage crisis. If you were some other blogger who talked about a whole range of social issues, then fair enough, I might've just ignored your article. But good grief, in your own words, "I'm the editor for MoneySmart.sg... I took this job because I believe financial news should be accessible and fun to read."

I recognize that Ryan Ong didn't come through the usual banking route (frankly, neither did I), he has done a number of other things (writing, teaching etc) before turning his hand to financial journalism. However, I think Ryan Ong is trying way too hard to please his readers rather than sticking to pragmatic financial principles. There are very good reason why people who cannot get a 20% deposit are refused mortgages - trying to tell them rhetoric like, "yeah it's all these nasty greedy bankers, it's not our fault, it's the bankers! They are evil, oppressing hardworking folks like us" doesn't change the fact that we are still reeling from the consequences of the subprime mortgage crisis. As a blogger, you can't just write what you think people would like to read - sometimes, you must be prepared to tell them the truth, even if the truth means delivering more bad news. I believe that is how we gain credibility as bloggers and gain respect amongst our peers (even if it means pissing a few people off in the meantime. Hey, the messenger can get shot sometimes y'know?)
Should credit be extended to anyone regardless of their credit worthiness? 

I am not of the sayang-sayang brigade, Limpeh will curse and fucking swear if I like and most of all, I will not hold back from the truth. This kind of approach will probably get me hate mail whilst Ryan Ong will get fan mail - but I'm not here to try to be Mr Popular, hell no. I'm here to offer solid, pragmatic, useful financial advice to those who wish to hear it and that will sometimes include bad news: I am not going to censor bad news or to try to sugar coat it the way Ryan Ong has. There's so much bullshit out there blaming the banks, blaming the governments, blaming society, blaming foreigners, blaming PRCs, blaming every fucking entity under the sun - it is time to stop all this "blaming everyone else" attitude once and for all. It's fucking stupid. Most of all, it distracts you from the most important task at hand - getting your own finances into order.

Everyone should sit down and do that once in a while and if you haven't done so recently, then it is time to do so. How much do you earn, what are your liabilities, what are your debts, what are your investments, how much money can you expect to earn in a year and based on all of that, what can you realistically afford in terms of getting on the property ladder? If the answer is, "nothing in Singapore for now" - then tough shit, that is the right answer. It is time to accept responsibility for your financial situation rather than blame every fucking entity under the sun.

So - what do you think? Are you trying to get a mortgage? What was your experience like getting a mortgage? Have you managed to get on the property ladder? Leave a message and let's have a discussion, thanks everyone.

27 comments:

  1. The only thing i got out of Mr Ong's piece was the point he made on seller expectations. It's valid, and equally so the simple response of just saying no to insane expectations - that's how the invisible hand works.

    Having said that, I find it hard to stomach any volatility on interest (or any debt in fact) and will probably end up taking the least amount of debt possible, while securing a fixed interest rate. Debt should be kept it as simple as necessary.

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    1. Hi Nick.

      Well, you did realize that Ryan Ong's piece was circulated heavily on social media thanks to people like therealsingapore - but the fact is his first point (ie. those who cannot get a 20% deposit are refused a mortgage) just flies in the face of basic economics. Like hello? Subprime mortgage crisis? Duh.

      Then I dug a bit deeper and found out that he doesn't have a background in finance at all - here's his bio in his own words, "I was a freelance writer for over a decade, and covered topics from music to super-contagious foot diseases. After I was able to walk in public again, I designed board games, taught in schools, and edited a local student paper. I took this job because I believe financial news should be accessible and fun to read. Also, because the assignments don't involve shouting teenagers and debilitating plagues."

      It's a free world, he can blog about finance and offer his opinions if he likes and if people want to listen to him, well that's up to them. I just found in unbelievable that someone who can claim to be the editor for a website like moneysmart.sg can be so oblivious to the cause of the subprime mortgage crisis. Duh. Unreal. Do his readers realize just how salah he was on that article?

      He's trying too hard to write what his readers want to read, shifting the blame away from them to the banks and the government.

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  2. LTF: "I am appalled that Ryan Ong of Moneysmart Singapore can come up with something so utterly ridiculous just to appeal to typical anti-PAP Facebook groups like "Remove Tin Pei Ling as an MP" and TherealSingapore."

    Ryan: So let me get this right: By espousing my frank opinion, which happens to contradict the PAP, I am "appealing to an Anti-PAP crowd". How exactly do I espouse an anti-PAP opinion that does not, by its very nature, appeal to an anti-PAP crowd?

    If you want to accuse me of pandering because your psychic powers have discerned my motives, then I can't argue back. Because it's more an article of faith than a proveable fact.

    LFT: "What is the moral of the story? You shouldn't give mortgages to people who simply cannot afford - we're not talking about a loan to make a more modest purchase, like for a car or for a university course."

    Ryan: Alright. Let's go over a few things. What does my title say? Oh, right, 3 reasons you can't afford a house.

    LTF: "Where was Ryan Ong during that economics 101 lesson? There's a very simple response to this - if you're not happy with the price, then don't pay lah."

    Ryan: First of all, you already know where I was during economics 101. You said very clearly you know I'm not from the business route; so while you were in there doing economics 101, I was in "How to not answer your own stupid questions 401". It's in the next room.

    Anyway, you're right. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. What I want to know is:
    How in hell does this translate to "Ryan is wrong and houses ARE affordable"? Seriously, how?

    I was saying that one reason houses are unaffordable is that they're very highly priced. And you're not exactly disagreeing that the price is high. You may be justifying the high price, but I notice you're not saying it's pocket change either.

    Not cheap is not the same as "incorrectly priced". I don't go around arguing that a Ferrari is "incorrectly priced" because it's expensive. I go around saying "God damn, that is one expensive penis compensation device". Is that wrong?

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    1. It's late, I've had a v long day but I will give you some short replies, then maybe more tomorrow.

      I am saying that your moral stance on the issue is wrong - particularly on the issue of getting a mortgage together. People should get themselves into debt they cannot get out of because it will spell financial disaster for them. You make it sound as if the banks are being cruel/immoral/wrong in denying people who can't find $80,000 for a deposit. IMHO, $80,000 is a very modest sum of money - if you're a working adult and you can't even find $80,000 - then you really are in no position to even think about the property market at all.

      I'm not saying that houses are affordable - I am saying that houses are expensive, it takes a lot of money to get on the property ladder and if you're poor, then tough shit - it's not going to happen. You should come up with a plan to earn more money, rather than blame the banks or the government or foreigners.

      I preach personal financial responsibility - I believe in taking control of one's finances, taking concrete steps to improve one's situation so as to get what one wants. You on the other hand, love playing the victim card: yeah blame the government, blame the banks, blame foreigners - I don't see you advocating that your readers should take any kind of responsibility for their financial situation?

      It's a slippery slope - when you play the victim, the fault lies with others and you have to try to change them to change the situation ... but when you hold your hand up and say, "my fault, I caused the problem...." then it's a very positive first step to start resolving one's problems and take control of the situation.

      Here's where we part company - we both agree that property is very expensive, but I don't believe that it is incorrectly priced. It is priced in a way that poor people won't be able to buy it - should I feel sorry for them or should I merely acknowledge market forces at work which have produced this situation? Such is the free market at work - if you don't wanna buy expensive Singaporean property, fine. Move to Ayer Hitam. You will pay about 5% of what one would pay in S'pore.

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  3. LFT: "However, Singaporeans have this knee-jerk reaction when it comes to HDB flats, they have that sense of entitlement that these flats should be 'affordable'. What a fucking joke"

    Ryan: I think your votes are going the wrong way. There's like, a political party that agrees with you there.

    How are your property investments going by the way? Good appreciation? Feel your price for it is fair? Yeah, just saying.

    LFT: "the Singapore government is really good at raising revenues for their coffers (COE, ERP, ABSD, CPF, GST etc), it is a means to an end. ABSD was never ever going to cool the property market down and if you actually believed that it was going to have that effect, then good grief, you're incredibly naive."

    Ryan: Like for example, if you believe a toothpick will stop a polar bear. That's pretty naive too. Thank you for repeating my point.

    LFT: "I believe that is how we gain credibility as bloggers and gain respect amongst our peers (even if it means pissing a few people off in the meantime. Hey, the messenger can get shot sometimes y'know?)"

    Ryan: By this stretch, I must have gained an astronomical amount of respect from you by apparently pissing you off. Does that work? Oh wait, you're a little busy bashing my background and motives without having met me.

    LFT: "I recognize that Ryan Ong didn't come through the usual banking route (frankly, neither did I), he has done a number of other things (writing, teaching etc) before turning his hand to financial journalism. However, I think Ryan Ong is trying way too hard to please his readers rather than sticking to pragmatic financial principles."

    Ryan: How does the first sentence relate to the second? Is it somehow mandatory that every teacher and writer will automatically focus on pleasing readers more than sticking to pragmatics? Or are we making assumptions here?

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    1. 1. I am a British citizen and have been for quite a while, so I can't vote in Singapore. In any case, I wouldn't have any credibility if I wasn't fair to the PAP when I evaluate how they have performed. Yes they have been terrible in terms of the freedom of speech and censorship - but when it comes to public housing, they have not done too badly at all.

      2. My property investments: I bought the flat I am living in back in 2003 - and back then I paid just £249,000 / S$500,000 for it and today, it has been valued at £499,000 / S$1m - a neighbour's flat sold for £480k but she was much lower down on the block whilst I am on the 15th floor. The price doubled from 2003 to 2012 - in a period of 9 years. Few (if any) financial products out there could've offered me a doubling of my investment in 9 years.

      I have written in my piece above about my 2nd flat, which I bought for £360k and it was valued to be £425k (these are GBP prices, double them for SGD equivalent). I played hard ball with a pregnant woman who needed to exchange and move before her tummy got any bigger - so I forced the price down.

      I also had a similar bargaining process with my first flat, when the asking price was £299k at first and I held out with my offer of £249k and eventually won the bid when it was clear no one else was going to offer more. I know what I am doing, I am on the hunt for a bargain and if I am not going to get one, I walk away. I have walked away so many times but my patience paid off - so I have gotten myself 2 very good deals. I do that when I am shopping anyway, I am always on the hunt for a bargain. I am rich and have plenty of money but I still love a good deal and hate a bad one. I empower myself with my basic business acumen when it comes to such investment deals - I don't behave like some pathetic loser who blames everything from the government to foreigners to banks to estate agents.

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    2. Lastly, you have no financial background. It doesn't mean you can't blog about finance - but to run a website on finance? That's a line you shouldn't cross. Would you trust a driving instructor who can't drive? Or a French teacher who doesn't speak French? Or a doctor who hasn't been to medical school?

      Now I blog about autism as a family member trying my best to help someone in my family affected by the condition. I do not write about it as a medical professional, but simply as a layperson who has to deal with the realities of having an autistic family member. I write about it passionately and candidly, but I am very clear about the fact that I am not writing as a doctor on the issue.

      I may not have taken the usual banking route but I still ended up working in financial services today - as a marketing strategist for an asset manager. (Long story, let's leave my work experience for another day.) But the fact is, I am writing as an industry insider whilst you are an industry outsider - you've never had a proper job in financial services. My work presents me with problems, challenges and all kinds of tricky situations that I have to figure out and it is through these experiences that I have gained an insight into the industry. Without actually having worked in the industry, how are you going to have that insight? Oh sure, you can read loads of industry press and learn from other financial journalists - but isn't that just plagiarism when you have no personal insight to share?

      To write about any subject - wine, mountain climbing, opera, Flamenco dancing, financial services - you have got to embrace the subject whole heartedly before you can be a credible writer on the issue. Imagine if one tried to write about mountain climbing without ever having climbed a mountain? How is that going to work? Sure, with the power of the internet, you could do plenty of research on the topic and then produce a pretty well written article that may appeal to the readers - but that's all you can do. Plagiarize and reproduce a piece to please the readers, rather than have any unique personal insight to share.

      You wanna be serious about finance? Go prove your worth of salt - go apply for a job with a local bank or asset manager and let's see if they will be interested in giving you a job. If you can get a job with them, then you will win my respect.

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  4. Good rebuke. Couple of things to point out:
    1) Most Singaporeans have CPF. That 80k doesn't have to be all cash. Else I couldn't have bought my place.
    2) Price discovery happens when willing buyers meet willing sellers. At some point, buyers run out.
    3) ABSD doesn't deter super rich. Nothing does, other than hard restrictions. But it does put a curb on rich persons who want multiple investment properties.
    4) Seller stamp duty is great for curbing short term speculation. It's basically a MOP for private property. But what's the difference between a short term speculator and an investor?
    5) Market composition matters. What's the danger? Super rich? Speculators? Home-owners?

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  5. Limpeh,

    Interesting read. When it comes to money and investing matters, I tend to lean on the sensibilities of your points than the sensationalism of Ryan's. Let me point out why:

    1) The 80/20 rule of private bank mortgage loans is there for a reason. So yes, affordability may be compromised but prudence for the sake of the economy is paramount. Cue the mortgage crisis in US. Has anyone in Singapore read about homes in negative equity? Does anyone here read anything apart from therealsingapore.com? With dirt cheap sub-prime mortgages offered on 120% of housing values circa 2007, am I surprised that the spiralling debt brought the property market to its knees? In 2011, there were more than 62% of homes in Florida and California which were in negative equity calculated by S&P Case Shiller. As of end Aug 2012, Zillow predicts there are 31% of homes in USA with negative equity. Now for you guys who are unacquainted, that means 1 out of every 3 homes is faced with an outstanding mortgage greater than the value of their home. In Singapore, 82 percent of us live in HDB and if faced with a similar crisis, even if all 18 percent of homes which are privately owned, go underwater, there are still 13% at risk in public housing. Sounds like an impossibility one would say given our relative resilience to the global crisis? Well think hard. Singapore is completely reliant on our services industry across almost all sectors. We have ridden along the lines of being superior in infrastructure and stability amongst our neighbours all this while. That is our edge and let's hope our friendly neighbours continue to muddle along and we squeeze every ounce from those blooming casino gamblers. My point is if we ever experienced a crisis half as bad as the US one, we will crumble into oblivion and regress beyond where we started in the kampong days. 31% of you could be foreclosed if we borrowed too much too cheaply and shit hits the fan. Think.


    2) ABSD is a bad word these days. No one likes it. Why should one be penalised with a duty just because we can afford more than 2 properties right? It wasn't too long ago in 06 & 07 where fresh university graduates were speculating in properties at launch with down-payments jointly shared by 3-4 owners. Plus we had that crazy deferred payment scheme which ensured no further capital outlay till TOP. I thought the market was seriously flawed back then and I refused to purchase anything in 07 because the fundamentals were shaky, all the talk did not signal real demand in the market. With no ABSD and SSD (affecting resales made less than 4 years after purchase) we would still have these jokers around sweeping up 4-5 properties which they simply couldn't afford. Could the government apply measures in other ways like introducing a gains tax as opposed to imposing upfront stamp duty? Perhaps but I reckon I will digressing. I am just relieved to have removed these volatility vultures from my investment decisions. Just for comparison sake, HK property measures include a min 50% cash downpayment, max 50% loan. Wonder how many here could survive there.

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    1. I agree with you :)

      1. The subprime mortgage crisis happened because the checks & balances failed when the system got out of hand - the banks thought, if these people defaulted on their subprime loans, we'll just repossess the property. But they didn't count on the property market collapsing. It is incredulous that Ryan Ong could ignore the whole subprime mortgage crisis when writing his article - does he have a very short memory or is he that new to finance? Even if he was new to finance, he should've done his homework.

      2. Good analysis of ABSD - it is still an unresolved issue and the government can do better.

      3. You'll be amazed what local IFAs (aka brokers) get away with - they have their fee even when they give bad advice and Singaporeans ... just don't get it. That's why people like Ryan Ong can make a living from his website despite him having no experience in the industry. Like would you take medical advice from someone who isn't a qualified doctor? Would you take driving license from someone who hasn't passed his own driving test?

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    2. Not going to go into details. But don't look at ABSD by itself. It's part of a package. Horrible word, but you need to take a holistic view. See what the other pieces in the package are. Taxes are rarely the preferred route because they are blunt instruments. Surprising but true.

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    3. "With dirt cheap sub-prime mortgages offered on 120% of housing values circa 2007, am I surprised that the spiralling debt brought the property market to its knees?"
      - Muller

      So, how much did you profit from the GFC? Hindsight is 20/20...

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    4. 回春,
      2 parts to my response.
      Firstly, are you referring to the various factors which affect the property buying decision? Of course ABSD is just one of the many considerations and I agree that there are more important and decision-guiding factors. My point is ABSD & SSD measure have eliminated a considerable amount of speculation in the market because it penalises those unable to have a longer (>5 years) term investment horizon. The buyers left in the market (to buy more than 2 properties) tend to have solid motivations driving their property investment/purchase like children's schools, family extension or upgrade, long term investment or work in Singapore. Am I happy that the volatility has been removed with these measures? Bit soon to say. Markets today are still going up but the measures are there to help remove fluctuations caused by false demand. What the extra stamp duty measures fail to deter are the super rich. But then what in the world deters the super rich? In the market, it is well know that an Italian scion purchased 6 units in one of the most expensive towers in District 10. Averaging $5.5k psf @ 4000 sqft each, this dude was buying one for every sister, brother, children etc. Financing was very conservative and if he got slapped with stamp duty, he won't exactly be selling his private jets to pay it off. He could have bought a few small islands in the pacific for that money but he deemed Singapore and Asia to be the ideal home for his family given his Asian focused business. His motivations are rock solid and they have no intention of relocating back to Europe anytime soon. Which brings me to my second point.
      Without sounding obtuse, what do you mean by taxes are blunt instruments? Are they not effective policies? If foreigners should be completely taken out of the equation and prohibited from property ownership, the government would be shooting itself in the foot. The extra stamp duty has removed the volatility in the market fueled by speculative demand. Curbing foreigners from buying would remove demand altogether. So imagine a market which has no SSD but a ban on foreign ownership, let's revisit the 06/07 situation with punters leveraged to their eyeballs betting on 4,5 properties. With a curb, we would turn away tycoons like Signor Italiano who would otherwise set up home in HK (since its nearer his China plants anyway) and gives him full access. Because he ain't interested in living in Singapore if he can't have his own home. You get my point? Now do I think stamp duty could be replaced by a more equitable gains tax which taxes the rich on their gains vs a quick ann dirty duty tax. I reckon Singapore is too afraid to go down that route. Gains tax is complicated and brings about all sorts of issues like inheritance, anti-avoidance measures, blah blah blah. We don't have it and I am quite glad because tax planning is a nightmare if you don't know the ins and outs.

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    5. Glenn,
      Guessing that question on profit was for me - Less profit than I like!
      Hindsight is indeed 20/20 and I may have done things differently but all my decisions to buy were driven by my personal or family living needs. Best purchase - pad in London sold in 07 for 4x the original price with currency appreciation of 40%. Worst - not buying beachfront bungalow in LA which was dirt cheap in 2010 with all the foreclosures filtering in from the crisis. Well it makes me weep at night:) but my long term view is still Asia with my family and career. It was hard to buy in a place so foreign and far away when i had no intention of being there before retirement. And I am too young to retire any time soon!!

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    6. Hmmm. Past comment seems to have been eaten. Oh well.

      So. S. Muller, you, me, same choirbook page, different harmonies. Why are taxes blunt? You explained it re: gains tax.

      Anyway, comment was for Limpeh re: unresolved/do more.

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    3. Personal financial planning is underrated. Is it me or does the average Singaporean rely too heavily on these insurance agents masquerading as financial planners?? What on earth do they proffer? Anyway I will take a stab at taking responsibility of our finances. My observation is Singaporeans in their 30s or 40s, with greatest earning potential and likely property buyers, tend to delay their planning. Many fall out of university, find a $2 or 3k job so they live at home, spending wildly on gourmet adventures, over-priced COEs, and golf memberships, then they reach marriageable age and wonder where all their downpayment went to? My personal journey was different. I only began all the luxuries after I had my home covered. I worked all my school holidays since I was 17. Because I spent my 9 months after JC clocking lots of experience with a headhunter, I was always invited every summer and Easter to bomb their sales charts. I hardly made millions but I loved making my own cash. From 17, I learnt to save a min of 30% of whatever I earned. Because mortgage repayment are typically 30% (or more) so if I am not comfortable saving that when I have no shirt to lose, then forget about owning a home. My goal was to have a fully paid up home of my own by age 35 so I could invest with relatively low risk into my 40s and 50s. Now I could never do that if I didn't start young. I won't bore you with the details but it is important to inculcate in our youths the importance of money management because liquidity is highly prized at age 35, not a frickin scholarship bond.

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  7. I just wanted to say - thanks for starting on the property ladder series!

    It's a ladder I am planning to climb.

    I am being really cautious right now, not sure where the property market is heading to now... I bought my first residential property 2+ years back, sold it (right before the cooling measures were announced) - and got a commercial property now.

    I am looking to enter the market again for another property - either resi or commerical. Maybe I am too cautious - I am still sitting out.

    So please share your experiences/wealth of knowledge. Will love to learn from you. I am still a newbie.

    On a side note: Frankly, I am tired of the whiny people. I know I put in more efforts than them, working hard/smart, studying hard all my life....

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    1. Hi there - do you have any specific questions you want me to answer (no promises but I will share my opinions for what they're worth)?

      And yes, I hate whiny people too. Let me give you an example: I recently read on a Facebook group this whiny Singaporean who complained that an angmor FT was rude to him at an MRT station and then he didn't complain, didn't react - he just took the abuse then come and whine on it online. I'm like, you have no balls, why didn't you just challenge the angmor on the spot? That's what I would've done, have it out there and then.

      One of my best friends in S'pore is just like that. Similar incident and this angmoh was rude to him - he grabbed the Angmoh by the shirt and said, "You have 3 seconds to apologize before I punch you in the face asshole. You've picked the wrong dude to be rude to."

      Needless to say, the angmoh nearly wet himself and whimpered an apology. Now that's the kind of Singaporean I like - sadly, my friend is rare. He actually has balls. Most Singaporean men are without testicles and would just take the abuse.

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    2. I am no banker (I can barely manage my family's financial matters) but I've seen enough low income families crumble and die under financial disasters due to poor financial decisions in a market where information is not consistently easily available or understood by the less educated (I am a social worker). I agree with you in principle with regards to not extending credit to non-credit worthy individuals. I do seek that you note that your assumption about low income families feeling a sense of entitlement and thus fueling the subprime mortgage crisis may be sweepish. When bank loans were extended readily and easily to low income earners in the early 2000s (correct me if I am wrong here) I recall meeting many low income earners who had hopped onto the bandwagon after being persuaded by profit-focussed housing agents and attractive bank rates who wound up selling their flats and purchasing one which they are unable to afford. So if what i experienced amount to anything, on top of your assumption about low income earners is this.

      Secondly, while it is rational and important for people to wait out before jumping on the property ladder, government has constantly seen home ownership as an asset building strategy for the lower income. I don't see that as a major problem if they get sufficient help to own their first flat. I wonder if you have any comment about whether home ownership can be an asset building tool for low income earners (be it BTO or maybe even a special set of flats with lesser lease so the price can become more manageable) and if so, what other measures the government can put in place to help the low income earners?

      My other worry is that most of the low wage workers and families that i see would have already bought the "wrong" first flat there is little they can do to reverse their situation. This to me is the real headache.

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    3. Hi Cindy, thanks for sharing your perspective as a social worker.

      I think we do have to get some common sense into the argument here though, I hear what you say about "being persuaded by profit-focussed housing agents" - but isn't this just advertising? Everywhere I go, everywhere I turn, I am bombarded by advertising on TV, radio, the internet, in newspapers, magazines, on posters as I walk down the street, on the panels at the train station, telling me to buy this, get that product, take advantage of this great bargain etc. Like most people, I learn to ignore most of these ads. It's just a part of modern life - advertising is here to stay and we can choose to either ignore or dismiss them, but sometimes they may be informative and they can lead us to a good bargain or a useful new product. As consumers we have to make that judgement call - and as long as the advertising isn't misleading, then no laws are broken.

      So it is a really fallacy when you try to put the blame on profit-focussed estate agents, these people are not breaking the law - they are simply, like all these other profit making companies out there, advertising their products & services and the onus is on the consumer to decide if s/he can afford it, if it is the right product to purchase etc. We exercise those judgements and choices every time we walk through a mall and look at nice products in a department store - it is nothing new really and we do it almost on a daily basis. Now if someone made a bad decision on purchasing something s/he couldn't afford - then whose fault is it? I say, you must put the blame on the individual, it is his/her own responsibility to keep his/her own finances in check.

      I don't have any solutions - apart from preaching greater personal financial prudence and responsibility. If you have more money than sense, then you can squander your money on diamonds, champagne and fast cars and not really care much about it as long as you have plenty more in the bank. But if you are poor or if you are struggling to make ends meet, then money is tight and you should be a lot more careful when it comes to how you spend that limited amount of money you have. Thus these low-income families you talk about should spend more time learning about their choices so as to make good decisions when it comes to their decisions - and if necessary, seek help if they are not sure.

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    4. I am definitely not putting all the blame on profit driven agents and you are right, they are just doing their job. However I think we may have overestimated the capability of some groups of people in our society when we expect them to rationalize and think as extensively and quickly as you and me. I guess what I am sayin is you had assumed in your post it is greed, I am providing another perspective that it is an interaction of factors that influenced poor financial decisions. No finger pointing intended.
      Perhaps yes financial management is the way to go. Perhaps we need to make financial management easily accessible, easily understandable and readily available to even the low income.

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  8. Hi LFT,

    Thanks for sharing about your property journey. 2 years back, I decided (together with my spouse) to take the plunge and purchased a 1 bedder at Lewisham, 100m away from the DLR station. At that time, we had amassed a certain sum and we weren't too comfortable in investing in Singapore property but we were quite sure about investing in real estate as a form of hedge against inflation. We also look at it as a low risk, enforced savings which will yield its fruits in 20+ years. At that time, Singaporeans were turning their attention towards London and we thought "why not". Pound has dropped 50% and the upside, in terms of currency, is definitely higher than the downside. So we went down to one of the exhibitions, did our homework online, liked what we saw, even though its off plan. Eventually we purchased the flat.

    I still remember you wrote that despite the recession, London itself is blooming because of its ability to draw talent from all over the like akin Manhattan. Within 2 days of getting the key, our letting agent was already able to get a tenant. The flat has also appreciated by 15%. We were so pleased with the investment that we decided to get another 1 bedder, again off plan, but this time, with the tube right downstairs and 1 stop away from Canary Wharf. But boy, the price is definitely much steeper.

    Now I do have a question here. I know that buying a resale will give better value and I would want to do that the next round if I were to invest in London again but how should I go about it given that I am in Singapore.

    Regards,
    Whowillbe

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    1. Hi there. I don't know what kind of time scale you were using for the pounds vs SGD, but it is about £1 = S$2 today. If you were to go back to 2004, it did reach £1 = S$3.16 and even further back to when it was first launched, the exchange rate was £1 = S$8.57 then! So what I can say is that there has been a steady strengthening of the sing dollar against all major currencies over the years, but it is highly misleading for you to say that the pound has dropped 50% - WHAAAT? Like are you comparing SGD to GBP from 1967 to now? What time scale? The GBP has been a pretty steady currency, you have made it sound like it had some kind of catastrophic lost of value when clearly, that is completely false. It has held pretty steady against the Euro and the USD, but rather it is the SGD that has experienced a steady increase of time relative to all major currencies. The major currencies have been strong all this time and haven't changed their values much - rather, it is the Singapore dollar that has gone from being a cheap 3rd world currency to one of the strongest in the world today - so it really depends on how you are structuring this comparison.

      As for the resale market in S'pore, I can't advice you. I live in London and my properties are all in London. I've got plenty of readers in S'pore who would be happy to help talk you through it.

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    2. Hi LFT,

      Not too sure whether did I managed to publish my reply. Anyway my bad that I wasn't precise. Yeah I was referring to the last 4 years where the exchange rate shifted from £1 = S$3 to £1 = S$2, approximately 30% in favor of S$. Oh my bad for the second mistake of the '50% drop'. It should have been 30%.

      Also paiseh if I did misled anyone with my comments. That wasn't my intention. Guess I do need to type more to qualify what I was trying to say. So my bad again. :-p

      With regards to whether is it the £ that depreciate or S$ that appreciate. Would it be more accurate to say that both occurred? £ depreciate because of QE and S$ appreciate due to MAS tightening its fiscal policy to fight against inflation (instead of using interest rates). I'm really a layman in this, so do appreciate your corrections if I'm wrong.

      Regarding the resale market, I was referring to London. My apologies if my choice of word cause you to think that I was talking about Singapore.

      Looking forward to learning from you.

      Regards,
      Whowillbe


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  9. 110% mortgage. Well I had a friend who got a 300% mortgage on a property in Harrow. Well that was before the crisis. Mad isnt it.

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  10. Good piece, as usual. What do you think of all the recent activity of Singaporeans buying overseas property, e.g. in London? Over the weekend, press reported strong sales for Royal Wharf (Oxley Homes & UK Ballymore). The marketing collateral looks very good.

    However, isn't that place quite 'ulu' and also very noisy from aircraft movements at London City Airport?

    Please see the following blog post for more analysis - http://londonproperty123.blogspot.sg/p/royal-wharf-whither-royal-wharf.html

    Well, as the old saying goes, Caveat Emptor!

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