Of course and article like that would attract a lot of very stupid responses from Singaporean men, such as James Wong who wrote, "Dun say Singapore men are not good... U all craving for longer dick tats all, y dun u ladies reflect on yourselves.. So F...... Greedy and so realistic.. all care about money... dun become Singaporean la.. only know how to bring shame on us only...."
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LOL, with men like James Wong in Singapore, is there any wonder why local women are choosing white guys over locals? Given that the first thing James talks about is penis size, one wonders just how utterly small his penis is. Oh and how poor he is as well, given that he is resentful about money as well. Oh dear, James Wong, tut tut tut, why are you telling the world that you are poor and have a small penis? You really shouldn't be telling the world things like that on the internet. Tut tut.
Why would a woman (Singaporean or otherwise) deliberately choose a man with a) a small penis and b) very little money? I'm not saying that such men will not find love, but they need to have something really special to be able to make up for both of those factors. I wonder what James Wong expects - an arranged marriage? Did he expect his parents to find him a match, or does he accept that he needs to get on the dating scene and impress the woman he likes? I wonder what kind of date a woman can expect with him - I suspect there will be no red roses nor romantic dinners in nice restaurants. He'll probably thinks he is generous if he lets her share his ice kachang at the hawker centre. Don't expect him to buy you your own ice kachang.
In an earlier post, I talked about how Singaporean men have put up with the inherently unfair system of burdening them with the responsibility of serving national service (with years of reservists obligations to come after that) - there seems to be this unconditional loyalty on the part of Singaporean who simply do what they are asked to do, whether or not it seems fair. There are a small number like me who have decided, "fuck this shit, I'm not taking this PAP crap, I'm outta here, see ya suckers, I'll send you a post card from London." But by and large, the vast majority of Singaporean men have simply bent over and allowed the government to fuck them over and over again.
Perhaps James Wong expected the same kind of unconditional loyalty on the part of Singaporean women - to settle for local men regardless of their relative wealth or penis size. After all, Singaporean men have made the ultimate sacrifice - serving national service so Singaporean women don't have to, should they be rewarded with the unconditional affection of the local women? Apparently, James Wong thinks so - but the local women disagree. Tut tut, things are not going well for James Wong, are they?
To be fair, in both Asia and the West, you will find the full spectrum of men in terms of earning power and penis size. It is a fallacy to assume that white guys are rich and well hung - indeed, when you first date a white guy, you might want to check what he has in his underwear and his bank account before making any assumptions. In Singapore, yes you have men who are both well endowed and rich - but that's the thing about Asian culture, we don't go around boasting about things like that. It's just not the polite thing to do. You wouldn't hear anyone trying "Hi there, wanna see my big cock?" as a chat up line in Singapore.
The one thing about Singaporean men is the tendency for them to continue living with their parents way into their 30s. It's hardly romantic when you can't even curl up on the sofa and share a tub of ice cream when the rest of his family is observing your every move. Awwwkkwwwaard. Likewise, a woman would have little faith in a boyfriend who still depends on his mother for everything from cooking to laundry to housekeeping. The first thought that crosses her mind would be: geez, am I expected to do all this for him when we get married? Is he going to yell, "Darling have you seen my loafers? Where did you keep my loafers? Can you bring me my loafers now?"
One does wonder then, if Singaporean women might view Malaysian men in the same light as white expatriates when many of them face the same challenges in having to lead very independent lives far away from their parents? Certainly, my mother was one such Singaporean woman who married a Malaysian man - my father.
Let me tell you a story about my parents' marriage - my dad is Hakka, my mother is Hokkien. My poor mum suffered so much because my dad's mother objected to their marriage on the grounds that she wanted my dad to marry a woman who was also Hakka. Did she get over the fact that my dad had made up his mind and was going to marry my mother regardless of how ridiculous my grandmother was? No. My late grandmother remained stubborn and extremely cruel to my mother right till the day she died. She hated my mother, for no other reason that the fact that she was Hokkien and not Hakka. My late grandmother was utterly unreasonable and it was just as well that she lived in Malaysia and we lived in Singapore and we didn't have to see her and put up with her bullying behaviour.
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My parents got married back in the 1960s - given that it is 2012 today, I'd like to think that we live in much more enlightened times. I'd like to think that a Singaporean can marry a white person, a black person, anyone s/he wishes as long as they're in love and the rest of the country can look at the happy couple and wish them every happiness. And if someone else decides to date a person of a different ethnicity, nationality or religion, it is really none of your fucking business, so you Singaporeans should fuck right off and mind your own fucking business.
After all, we're on this quest to find that elusive soul mate who will be on the same wavelength as yourself - now there is absolutely no guarantee that you're likely to find that soul mate near where you grew up. This is 2012 and modern technology has changed the way we interact. I get along with people who share the same interests with me, not the people who come from the same place as I do - given that I speak English as a first language, it allows me to communicate with most of the world anyway. Heck, it's not like I speak only Hokkien and nothing else. We should focus on what we share in common with others, not the differences.
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I have read a Singaporean wrote that s/he was afraid to date anyone foreign because of the differences in culture as that may impede communication and understanding - that is so wrong on so many levels! How can you not be interested in your partner's culture and language and thus make a real effort to bridge the gap? That is such a self-centred view of the world. Haven't you met anyone different but fascinating enough for you to want to sit down with them and say, "You're so interesting, tell me all about you, I wanna learn all about you please." In any case, I know plenty of Singaporeans who married other locals and have ended up in unhappy marriages and divorce - why? Because marrying someone local doesn't mean you will be on the same wavelength - it takes a lot more than that for love to blossom and I get the feeling a lot of these bad choices were made to please their parents rather than themselves. Tsk tsk.
I've seen my mother put up with so much awful 'dialectist' bullying all these years and no, it is not cool, it is not acceptable and we can do so much better as a tolerant, progressive society. This is why I have to speak up when I observe this kind of xenophobia and say that it is absolutely wrong. I have actually touched upon this in an earlier post - you can read it here. So, what is your take on the issue? Are you a Singaporean dating a non-Asian person? What are your experiences? Leave a comment below, let's hear what you have to say, thanks.




Just to share my experience. I have met Singaporeans who think that because my English standard is good (by their evaluation, not mine), they think that I jiak kantang, and assume that I would only consider marrying ang-mohs.
ReplyDeleteYes, I get along with the ang-mohs. No, it is not because of their skin colour. I also get along with the East Asians, the South Asians, South-East Asians, etc. Skin colour has nothing to do with it. An open attitude, be respectful of each other's culture/background, candid and frank (but not blunt) sharing, be able to disagree without being disagreeable, be prudent in his own finances so that he is not dependent on others' charity for a living, are some of the fundamentals that I look out for. And yes (as LIFT pointed out) the ability to manage the nitty-gritty of one's own life, i.e. please don't expect me to cover your mother's cook, wash, and clean roles 100%. I'm not kidding, you wouldn't believe the ridiculous demands/comments from a few of the Singaporean men that I've dated.
E.g. Back in the early 1990's when I was a fresh graduate from university, my primary school friend (who worked in a factory after finishing primary school) arranged for a double-date with her co-workers. My friend does not know/understand that I had gone on to university, nor I did not explain it to her since I felt it was not of any importance in our friendship. My friend's male colleagues simply assumed that I buey tak-chet like my friend, and/or spent all these years repeating my education in private schools. One of them remarked in Singlish, “读那麽多书做什么?最多做clerk文员而以mah! 之后,不就是结婚生孩子。“ ["Study so much for what? At most be a clerk, mah! Thereafter also marry and give birth to children."] Straight-off I knew this fella obviously cannot imagine that woman like me (who graduated from university) exists. I kept quiet, since I knew that my friend really liked that fella.
E.g. JN whose own inferiority complex led him to be prejudiced against female alumni from a branded school.
http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2009/11/branded.html
That said, most Singaporean men aren't that bad lah! The typical Singaporean man is honest, hardworking, predictable and reliable. Therefore, IMHO, he should focus on his strengths (as listed) instead of talking cock (pun intended).
Hiya. Thanks for your insight. Sexist male chauvinist pigs like the one you mentioned above exist every where - Vancouver, Singapore, London, anywhere really, right? I think the key challenge is to find someone whom you're on the same wavelength on as your soul mate, so as to be able to settle down with and I'd like to think that modern technology has changed the rules of the game.
DeleteI have read a Singaporean object to marrying anyone outside Singapore because s/he was afraid of the cultural differences causing problems in communication and mutual understanding - but that's just focusing on the differences rather than what one may share in common with someone from the other side of the earth.
Needless to say, I've looked back at my peers from my sec sch and JC and yup a fair number of them married someone very local and ended up in unhappy marriages and divorces - guess what? Just because you grew up in the same area doesn't guarantee that you'll be on the same wavelength.
Hi LIFT,
DeleteYes, I agree MCPs exist everywhere. That said, sometimes MCPs are really useful, like when there is heavy stuff to carry, hahah. :D Jokes aside, I recognize that they are not spouse material for me, but then they may be spouse material for other women who share the MCP view on gender roles. Yes, such women exist. E.g. I have been told "Don't be choosy", to quickly get married and give birth to children more often by women (out of their concern for my wellbeing) than by men.
As for the Singaporean objecting to marrying anyone outside Singapore, I am not surprised. Think of the years of brainwashing by parents with racist attitudes similar to yours and Bleedapple's. Not many have the chance to interact in-depth and often enough with ang-mohs to know that it is just prejudice. In fact, from my observation, even when the opportunity present itself, not many will dare (or even care) to use it to learn about another culture.
http://limpehft.blogspot.ca/2012/06/for-bleedapple-wisdom-vs-pride.html
That said, when my friends JX and ZS tried to pair me up with a PRC when I was here in Metro Vancouver, and then I met a Singaporean guy who clicked so easily with me, I suddenly realized how much advantage a man with shared background has in the game of romance. Nothing wrong with the PRC -- he is an excellent "catch", like several of the PRCs I've met here -- but just that I recognize that we would not be a good match because of communication difficulty (I cannot express myself well enough in Mandarin, and his English isn't good enough for me to use my usual English vocabulary) and my maturity level is nowhere close to his (yeah, I am still a kid at heart). Imagine a hubby losing hair over a still-young-at-heart wifey. Nah, not a good idea.
Yes, I have seen some couples from the similar background getting married and then divorced, or staying married in name only but the relationship is long-dead liao! It is kind of sad. But marriage is hard-work, and with the kind of crazy work hours the typical dual-income couples work in Singapore these days, marriage becomes extra demands to meet, I would respect any couple who sustains a happy marriage for 3 years or more in Singapore! I have friends who are still happily married -- according to them, it boils down to a lot of hard-work, communication and give-and-take.
Btw, I met someone interesting recently. Once again, he is not Singaporean.
http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2012/09/met-someone-interesting.html
Cheers, WD.
Thanks WD :)
Delete"fuck this shit, I'm not taking this PAP crap, I'm outta here, see ya suckers, I'll send you a post card from London."
ReplyDelete- pretty sure the very same thought goes through some local girls' heads, maybe without the PAP reference. for those who studied locally and subsequently got their first jobs in singapore... options to move away are very, very limited.
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Well, let's put it this way. I think it has got to do with the way we were brought up - my mother's philosophy was basically "you will do as you're told, you will grow up and be just like me, get a job as a civil servant and be a good Singaporean and you can have a family like me, what's there not to like?"
DeleteWhereas my dad's story is so different - he left his kampong in Malaysia because he didn't like the thought of growing up in a small town in Malaysia and he preferred Singapore. So he was like ... do what you like, as long as you're safe and happy.
No doubt my mother saw her life as a good example and she saw herself as a good role model for her children and indeed I have a sister who pretty much followed her prescription and married a local guy ... I doubt my sister would admit it, but I think her choices were very much influenced by a desire to please her mother, to do what was expected of her as she wanted my mother's approval. Whereas me, I couldn't give two hoots about my mother's approval - it's like, I never got it as a child, what makes you think I'll want it as an adult?
Apa? Catch no ball... All I'm saying is that a possible reason for some girls dating foreign men is the otherwise unavailable option to move abroad.
DeleteOh. Just trying to relate it to my parents (as they were the main feature of this article) ... if you put it this way, then marriage is a rather uncomplicated way to move abroad, rather than have to deal with the points based immigration system.
DeleteDuring my university days in UK, I dated a couple of English guys. On the whole, my experience was that:
ReplyDeleteAny positive or negative initial impressions/ideas of dating someone different, was quickly gone within a matter of weeks. When we are in such close proximity, you like each other for who they really are. Whether they are white/black/blue/handsome, if they haven't got a good personality, they cease to be attractive in a very short time.
The difference in upbringing/values was definitely a good one in my experience. I found the boys very normal, independent and was fine with girls being independent. They did not expect me to cook and clean, e.g. if I could cook, that was a bonus which they showed lots of appreciation for. If I couldn't, I don't think they saw it as a bad point either. They didn't see reliance on the guy as a plus, nor strength/opinions in women as a flaw. They opened doors for me, shared chores with me, went out of their way to make me happy. I would say both relationships were very normal - balanced and good relationships with really nice boys.
Socially, I found Singaporeans (while in UK and in Singapore when they came back with me on holiday) quick to call me as an SPG, even though I don't exclusively or intentionally date anyone of any particular race. Yes I got the usual - angmoh got big dick, angmoh is rich (erm, one was a student and one was a builder, definitely not rich). I/He got the rude stares on the train and streets in Singapore, even though we looked as normal as could be in Singapore - t shirt, berms, flipflops.
Then I came back to Singapore. I found locally born, bred and educated guys quite.. unattractive. Other than the fact we are on a very different wavelength when it came to communication (style, humour especially... and I can speak Singlish/Chinese so it's not that), I found their views generally rather myopic and lacked depth/perspective. They found me "too strong/cynical", whatever that means. Maybe I didn't giggle enough (haha hey not my fault, they are not funny, what). Oh and I also got "her English is too good and mine was better than most!". Now, that has nothing to do with whether I'm good in the language, but rather the fact that it is important to them that I'm "less" than them. In any case, their English is really very mediocre and it just so happened that most Singaporeans can neither speak English nor Chinese properly. Ahem.
To share a horror Singapore date: once, I suggested a quiet pasta place for dinner (price point for mains, $10-$15) on a first date. Guy (early 30s, manager or senior manager position) decided to go on and on about how he usually eats at hawker centres and this is considered very expensive. Also how he would never pay for Starbucks and is fine with 70 cents coffee. On a first date?? Really?? I quickly got the point that he thought I was materialistic and would eat frequently at non-$2.50 places. (Well, I don't see what was quite wrong with that. I eat at hawker centres and at mid-range places, nearly all of the time.) Later, it transpired that his mother was paying for his car, and that his ex-girlfriend did everything for him including his laundry. When the bill came, he hesitated and looked at me, so I offered to pick up the bill. He said no let's split it, and proceeded to collect the exact amount up to the cent from me. Needless to say, that never went beyond that one date. This really stood out because he was everything wrong in a Singaporean guy, rolled into one and taken to the extreme.
All in all, I say love and happiness comes in all shapes and sizes, it's senseless to insist that having the same skin colour, or having grown up in the same culture equates to any kind of assurance that there will be less differences.
Hahahaha, thanks so much for sharing your experiences with such honesty! Esp that last horror story - good grief!
DeleteYou know what the irony is? All these Singaporean men who depend on their parents for EVERYTHING (laundry, meals, accommodation, money, "mum where can I get clean socks?!") - they are the same idiots who label people like you an SPG and people like a quitter because we're not doing exactly what they're doing. Indeed, it is very much them projecting their own insecurities on us.
By calling you an SPG, they are shifting the blame onto you - ie. "I can't get a date with a local girl because they are all traitors who have shunned their own kind for Angmohs" - rather than "Singaporean men are too insecure and immature for local women."
By calling me a quitter, they are shifting the blame onto me, ie. "I have stayed to defend my country whilst he has run away", rather than "I am staying because I am completely reliant on my parents despite being in my 30s, defending the country has nothing to do with it."
This blog post and MSO's comment really resonate with me... I did marry an American and live in NYC and all. I have dated local guys in the past, but it didn't work out. The local guys I dated tended to be immature, dependent, unchivalrous (you don't have to be an MCP to be chivalrous! Carrying bags etc is just what a gentleman does!) and in general rather uninspiring. I felt like their mothers... I had to take care of them instead of the other way around. Who wants to marry a guy that can't take care of himself, let alone run a household? Also, I really don't want to constantly feel like the stupid nagging wench.
DeleteLocal men lament about how we womenfolk love gweilos but really, it's got nothing to do with their foreignness per se. I can’t generalize, but the ones I met (in Singapore) tended to have their act together and are more intellectually interesting. I guess the bums are still in their home country. Do a blind test like the Pepsi-Coke one and I bet I’d pick the Ang Moh cup every time.
To add to your horror story, this guy I dated liked to bring his face to his food and slurp noisily. When I told him it was rude and unsightly, he called me shallow. Then one day we went to a French restaurant. Needless to say, he made a fool of himself. He ate the bread on the side like a peanut butter sandwich and spilled soup everywhere because he was trying to eat it from halfway across the table. When I called it quits, I said he could take his stuff back. He took this literally and even took back his gifts (I didn’t because I’m not cheap). He took back a lighter though he didn't smoke and as he was walking out the door loaded with stuff (including the Dreamcast we split the cost for), he turned around for the coup de grace, "How about the mousepad you are using?" Yes, he wanted the mousepad back too. He wasn’t being spiteful, he was just clueless.
Many, not all, Singaporean men are like that. They aren't bad, but tend to lack many of the qualities at least I find desirable. There is something about our country that seems to breed them this way. It takes real effort to break out of the mold. Those that go abroad for their degrees learn a little bit of independence. I'm very happy that Singaporeans are traveling more. They need to broaden their horizons. Now they just need to LIVE abroad more, to have their own apartment, wash their own clothes, freeze at the bus stop in winter and wilt in the summer heat as they struggle to install their air-conditioning unit.
A close guy family member is 32 and still lives with his mother. She pays all the household bills, the maids do all the cleaning, and though he earns a very healthy $6K a month, he spends it all on garbage (expensive restaurants, etc) and doesn't save a cent. Most months he's broke by the 3rd week and spends the last week eating at home since that is paid for.
I asked his mom why she didn’t kick him out. She said, "Rent is expensive in Singapore…" This is true, but as an uncle said, "he should untangle himself from his mother's apron and rent his own place, date women and bring them to his own home, party all night and end up faceplanting.. do all the other stupid things that young people do. Apartments expensive? Have roomies!" The rule of thumb for rent is no more than 35% of your income. Surely he can get a room with 25% of his income ($1.5K), and don't tell me he can't help with household expenses or give his mom an allowance. The expensive thing is just an excuse.
How about those that don't make $6K? Get a room for less. Contribute to the household. Save. There are a million ways you can be more independent, more man and less mama's boy. Finances aside, think about being better in other areas. Act like a gentleman, learn new things to feed your intellect, work out so you have a healthy body. Asian men also tend to lack confidence, so work on that too!
You two women rock. I am rolling on the floor laughing.
DeleteThank goodness Limpeh doesn't live with my parents and have not done so since 1997.
I think I will dedicate a post to you guys on this topic!
http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/what-singaporean-women-think-of.html
DeleteHi Limpeh and fellow bloggers,
ReplyDeleteI thoroughly enjoyed your blog and comments on Singaporean men. I had a similar experience as Me So Ornery...and it was and still is a turn-off as far as I am concerned!!!
I recalled my JC friend who married an Indian-Malaysian telling me that when her colleagues saw her getting onto her husband's bike to go home, they warned her that Indians are wife-beaters the next day, assuming that she's dating her, not realizing that he is her husband. Such are examples of racist stereotypes that, sad to say, a significant number of Chinese Singaporeans still hold of other races.
IMHO, Singaporean men who labelled women SPG, etc are just narrow-minded and insecured people, like any narrow-minded and insecured people all over the world.
I feel like I'm in the movie Groundhog Day. This was a hot topic when I was still living in Singapore many years ago and it still seems to be a hot topic (of sorts) now. Sheesh!
ReplyDeleteTo tell you the truth, local women who date/marry Caucasians get no break, not from the local men and not from Caucasian women (living in Singapore) in my experience. The former think the local women suffer from Pinkerton Syndrome, and the latter think they are oriental sirens (look at expat forums where the newcomers are warned by some to watch out for nubile local women waiting to snare their men).
When I was dating an Australian, I attended an Australian Day BBQ once with him, where I was ignored by all the women there. And my friend had a similar experience when dating a Brit (ignored by the women at a dinner). And not too long ago, a Singaporean lady I know, married to a Brit and living in Singapore, told me how no (British) women at her kids' (British) school would speak to her, although things improved when she transferred her kids to United World College (where no one nationality dominates). I hate to say it, but the prejudice displayed by expat women seem to come mainly from the Aussies and Brits who think local women who date/marry Caucasians are twits. These expat women are kindred spirits of local men who bristle at the idea of local women dating/marrying Caucasians.
Only in Asia do you have to put up with such crap 'cos I had no problems when living in the US, and none so far in Europe where I'm living presently.
Woah, thanks for opening my eyes to that. I can see that happening, though I have never seen that happening myself as I have no problems with Angmohs, though I guess as a man my experiences are bound to be different from yours.
DeleteI observe that there are 2 kinds of angmoh expats in Asia - you have the ones with the siege mentality and avoid all contact with anyone who isn't white, eat only Angmoh foods and try to pretend they're still living in the West. And then there's my friend Ellie (from the UK) who lives in Simei in a HDB flat, eats at hawker centres, has mostly local friends and is taking INTENSIVE Mandarin lessons. So there, you get all types.
Indeed there are. I remember coming across a blog by an American couple who were absolutely miserable in Singapore. I mean, they complained about everything, even petty things like how IKEA was pronounced in Singapore (which is, ironically, pretty close to how it should be pronounced). In contrast was another blog, this time by a British woman living in Singapore. Her blog entries made it clear that she, by being open minded, curious and dare I say, adventurous, was able to connect with the people and culture of the land.
DeleteBut then you get the same types of expats in Switzerland too (and I suspect pretty much anywhere else): Ones that stick to their ilk and complain to high heaven (or mock even) about the Swiss, the local culture and what have you; and others who have taken their host culture for what it is, warts and all (after all, nothing is perfect) and really live in it, appreciate it, experience it, for better and for worse.
Ah well, such is life I suppose .............
I love, love, love your blog.
ReplyDeleteI'm a Singaporean male teenager, still a minor, and I'm about to move to the other side of the world for high school. On my own. I'm excited because I'll be tasting independence for the first time. (Convincing my parents was tough, but I managed to do it!)
The government wants me and my parents to cough up about $75,000 to defer my NS till I'm 21, or else they won't allow me to leave. That's some serious cash we DON'T have. So we don't know what to do. It would be a risky move to give up my citizenship and uproot myself from Singapore at this age. But I'm not going to give up on my dream school and country just because the government wants to have me within their tight grasp. I hope me and my family can figure something out. We tried convincing them that I will return to serve my NS after I'm done abroad, but you know how they're like. They don't care. I NEED to leave for a while and see the REAL world.
I feel worried for the future of Singapore. I've seen stupidity on the rise, xenophobia on the rise (every city in the world is cosmopolitan for fuck's sake - many Singaporeans act like it's a bad thing), homophobia on the rise, like 99% of the people I know in Singapore think being gay is a sin and a bad thing and a 'choice'. Hello, they're born that way. It's been scientifically proven. Move the fuck on and let people love who they want. (I actually think it's pretty sweet and hot when two women or two men love each other, hehe.)
I've been called 'liberal trash' because I once mentioned that I don't see anything wrong with responsible teenagers experimenting sexually with protection (it's just a normal part of growing up, idiots). LOL. You also get judged if you try to be different in Singapore. Always. My friend (a local girl) got called a 'geylang whore' by a few locals because she wore killer high heels and a dress with a plunging neckline when we were roaming around a mall. Why the fuck can't people dress the way they want? My friend didn't expose her fucking tits. And dressing skimpily certainly won't 'mentally scar innocent children'. Scandinavian countries have very liberal nude policies and their kids turn out better and more mature than Singaporeans. And my friend just wore a shirt with a plunging neckline, for crying out loud.
Many Singaporeans also think they are the center of the universe, and any foreigner who decides to settle on the red dot gets called 'foreign trash'. Ooh, so 3 million Singaporeans are special while the billions of other people in the world are trash? Yeah, right. This kind of mentality makes me wish I was born elsewhere. I'd probably be called unpatriotic for saying this, but this country is seriously... in the dumps, ugh. I have no words.
I don't hate Singapore or my fellow Singaporeans. I just wish they'd stop being so fucking narrow-minded. The world does not revolve around us or our petty issues. Grow the fuck up. I probably wouldn't date a Singaporean either.
I don't know if I should let go of my citizenship. Won't I be arrested if I return to meet my family - because I'd have avoided serving NS? I have very limited time - 3 months till school starts. And I'm still being pestered to cough up the deferment cash. I could survive in the country I'm moving to - I'll have time off school to work a part time job, learn their language, plus my parents will be helping me with the fees, I could eventually become a citizen, join university afterwards, start a whole new life. It's a hard choice to make though... I am very young! FML.
ps. You rock! I admire your courage.
Hi Nick. Thanks for your kind words - I blog very honestly, I tell people when I am afraid, worried and indeed, I share my experiences when I fuck up. I'm about to share a story later about how I dealt with a difficult situation and blogging helps me sorts my thoughts out because when one is confused, it is good to put all those thoughts to paper to understand what you're actually thinking. I encourage you to blog too Nick as you obviously write well.
DeleteOn to your situation - you have two choices. One is that you leave via Malaysia (ie. on an exit permit for Malaysia only) and never ever come back to Singapore ever again. If you wanna meet your family again, you can rendezvous in Malaysia (eg. in Johor Bahru) but you'll never be able to set foot in S'pore again. If you do that, as a minor, your parents might get into big trouble with the authorities as you could never manage something like that on your own - they'll be your accomplices and I hate to say this: do you wanna risk putting your parents in jail?
The other option is to simply finish your education up till A levels (or equivalent) in Singapore, serve NS and then leave. That is what I did. I really don't see any other way if your parents cannot afford to lose the $75k. That's a substantial amount of money - if you have filthy rich parents then fair enough, but if they cannot find that money then that suggests that you're simply not in a position to take advantage of that offer from that high school.
Sure this will mean you giving up a great experience, but there's still university to look forward to and sometimes, in life, we have to make the best of a bad situation. We don't have to pretend that we got our first choice - but we can always make the best of our second choice and still seek better opportunities along the way. I'm sorry man, I wish I had better news for you today but that's the best I can offer.
Another issue that concerns me is if you don't gain citizenship witin like 10 years and your Singapore passport expires, then you cannot renew your Singapore passport for the embassy staff would say, "you need to go back to S'pore to serve NS and face the law." It took me 8.5 years to get UK citizenship and my best friend from my NS days has only just got his green card in the US (we both left S'pore in 1997) - you may end up in limbo if things don't work out and it's not that I'm saying "in a worst case scenario you can go back to S'pore", no. It's like if you get say a job offer in Germany, it'll be like, "okay give us your passport and we'll process your work permit for Germany" - but if your passport is too near expiry or simply expired, then all kinds of problems can occur which may lead to you being eventually denied the job.
DeleteI know about the rendezvous-in-Malaysia thing, and it's awful. It's hard to believe that this happens in the 21st century. How can our government be so insensitive?
DeleteI studied in an international primary school in Singapore, and I was happy there. I found that I had so much in common with expatriate kids who had just moved to Singapore. I then moved on to a local secondary school. Those 4 years were depressing. Sure, I had some good days, but I just couldn't find much common ground with my local schoolmates. They were so different. So socially awkward.
I then vowed never to set foot in a local school again, so even though my O level results are adequate enough for a good JC, I'd rather be spared the horror. My secondary schoolmates were like robots. Many of them didn't know how to loosen up and live life. Their lives were so drab and routine. I can't blame them though. Our society in Singapore doesn't encourage personal growth. It's all about the rat race and making money and those awful five C's I don't give a fuck about. I'm not a materialistic person. And the education system is so rigid. Critical thinking isn't encouraged at all. I felt so suppressed. I was also punished often for being vocal with my opinions.
The thing is that the high school (a very prestigious one, one of the top schools in Europe) offered me a partial scholarship - I only have to pay 20% of the fees. They will sponsor my student visa and airfare as well. It's a very liberal boarding school that encourages kids to express themselves, so there are no uniforms, and we're pretty free to do what we want. I had to go through many rounds of Skype and phone interviews, write tons of essays and application forms because I was so determined to get in. I'm lucky I even got in! They accepted me because I can speak their language (I taught myself, I'm not fluent, but I can manage) and because I'm accomplished in sports.
The partial scholarship is a relief because I don't hail from a well-to-do family; we wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. My reason for wanting to move out at this age (I am 16, if you must know) is because I want to expose myself while I'm still young and fresh. I want to make mistakes and learn from them. I want to stumble, and learn to pick myself up when I fall. I don't want to be mollycoddled by my parents. I want to wash my own laundry, work, even as a sweeper or as a waiter. I want to fall in love. Wander around with my friends and get lost. I know the world out there isn't as safe as our nanny-state, but I will adapt.
I don't want to leave when I'm 22 or 23 and probably weary and fucked and brainwashed after NS and a couple more years in local schools.
About the citizenship issue - the policies of the country make it possible for me to become a citizen in just about 5 years, because I'm under 20 years of age. So I will be a citizen by 21, hopefully. I intend to fully assimilate into their society. Dual citizenship would be lovely, but that's not possible, as we both know. Yes, and I know about the risks, but I will only start working in a full-time job after I become a citizen.
Damn - I'm so stressed out over this that I'm losing sleep. My parents and I will try to figure something out with the limited time I have. If I am unable to get a deferment, then I'll have to cancel my scholarship, cancel the student visa, cancel my dreams and everything because I don't want to do anything risky that could get me and my parents into trouble. I'll probably be a devastated mess if that happens. Thanks, Singapore. Look what you're doing to me.
Please never stop blogging, by the way. You're an inspiration to me.
Hi there. I'm sorry to say this - but whilst I totally agree with EVERYTHING you've said about Singaporean students (100% true), it boils down to the simple matter of your parents' well being.
DeleteNot only will they lose $75,000 (a lot of money), they risk getting into trouble with the authorities. Is it fair for you to put them in such a situation? I know you will claim that you will pay them back eventually - but I want you to consider this very, very carefully. We're talking about just 2 years of JC then you can go to university.
Having done both JC and university, I say - whatever you do in the next 2 years will pale in comparison to what you will do at university. It's just kids' stuff vs proper adult stuff at university. None of my employers give a shit about what I did at A levels and they really only care that I went to a good university - they couldn't give a shit about my grades either way.
I hate to say this man: but you're so focussed on the journey rather than the destination. Your destination is for you to get a good enough education so as to get you a good job upon graduation - the journey is irrelevant. Even if you do go to a JC (which I did and met many fucking brain dead Singaporean zombies there) , so what? The fact that there were Singaporean zombies there didn't bother me, I was fabulous, I was fantastic, I was ME. Fuck the zombies, let them zombie their way through life, I went on to become fabulous and followed my dreams.
I don't know why the fact that you're so bothered by the shortcomings of your potential classmates? Does their mundane nature offend you? Man, reality check: life ain't like Glee - I'm currently doing a theatre production in the West End of London, it's like the kind of job that actors give their arm and leg for. But I still have to deal with people I don't like in this job and it's a part of life. You just have to focus on being wonderful, being good to yourself, shining in your role in life and if there are zombies around you - I say, fuck them. Leave them be - but don't let their zombie-nature bother you.
I hate to sound cruel my friend, but you need a reality check about the way you feel about Singaporean students. Like you, I fucking hated so many of my ex-classmates - but why let their problems bother you? Surely their shortcomings should remind you just how much better you are compared to the lot of them fucking losers put together.
Think about what I said. Good luck.
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