Now having read a range of articles on the issue, my gut instinct is to agree with the government's reaction to Prof Lim's statement for he has missed out one crucial point: he has not talked about productivity. Increasing pay with no corresponding increase in productivity only leads to inflation - which the reduces the real improvement in living standards if the cost of living is then pushed up by these higher wages. I know Prof Lim has all the best intentions to deal with the wealth gap, but I feel that this is but a knee-jerk reaction. Nonetheless, I am very glad someone has brought the issue back to the headlines so as a nation, we can look at it, talk about it, discuss it and try to find a solution (rather than sweep it back under the carpet).
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Now firstly, Prof Lim failed to look at the cause of the problem and it is two-fold. Firstly, the problem lies with the education system in Singapore. Secondly, the wages of the lowest-earners at the bottom of the food chain are suppressed by the influx of cheap foreign workers from places like China. The second point is pretty obvious and we've talked about it many times before on my blog and let's look at the first point instead. The second point can be summarized with this oh-so-familiar cartoon:
Back to my first point: the education system. Don't get me wrong, I am a product of the Singaporean education system which did serve me well, I am not going to spit into the well I drank from. However, the problem with the system is that it celebrates scholars and straight-A students and condemns those who fail to fit into that ideal Singaporean student mould. This has been a subject of several Jack Neo movies - including I Not Stupid and I Not Stupid Too (which you can watch on youtube):
I also object to Prof Lim's proposal to freeze the pay of those earning more than S$15,000 a month - why punish those who have obviously proven themselves worthy of such high pay? (Well, with the exception of the PAP politicians... Now we all know they are all paid too much.) It does seem like a very knee-jerk Robin Hood "rob the rich to pay the poor" quick fix to a very complex problem. Surely a more sensible approach would be to raise the level of income tax for the very rich and then channeling that money to help the very poorest in our society - that is what most countries do anyway. But a mandatory pay freeze for the very richest (what, even in the private sector)? That's unprecedented to say the least.
The vital question we need to ask ourselves is this: why are these people doing these dead-end jobs in the first place? Let's analyze this a bit more closely. I have already addressed this issue previously - my nephew is autistic and is not academically gifted. It's not to say that he is quite simply, well, for want of a better word, stupid - but he is not the kind of child who will sit down and memorize chunks and chunks by rote learning. You have no idea how worried I am for his future - it's not something I even dare to raise with my sister (very sensitive topic leh), I only dare to talk about it with my parents. Well, they have no answer to that either.
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Singapore's education system and Singaporean parents punish those who are not academically gifted and instead of helping them, we are simply beaten and threaten as children if we don't get the desired grades. Resources are dedicated to helping the elites who can excel - such as the gifted education programme, the humanities scholarship programme as well as Brightsparks. Well how much resources are dedicated to students on the other end of the spectrum? Not much - parents are left to use up their hard earned money to engage private tuition teachers to salvage the situation: so bright kids get the resources whilst parents of the dumb kids are punished financially.
Those who end up in these very lowly paid jobs (as defined by Prof Lim as under S$1500 a month) are those who either dropped out of school or performed poorly whilst at school. Rather than simply paying people in lowly paid jobs more money, I propose dealing with the route of the problem.
- The government should increase spending on those who perform badly academically - rather than forcing them to try to struggle through an academic system, they should be allowed to switch over to a technical education as soon as possible. This means boosting the funding for ITE so that they can improve the quality of their training and not look like a last resort anymore.
- Stop funding foreign scholars like Sun Xu with immediate effect - spend the money on local Singaporeans instead, especially those who come from low-income families and cannot afford private tuition.
- Expand the Workfare programme - paying Workfare participants generous bonuses for completing programmes as an incentive for them to participate in Workfare.
- Stop issuing with immediate effect any work permits to PRCs - in fact, once their work permits expire, send them back to China.
To which I will reply, "Well, can't we do one better than that - can't we stop them from getting into this situation in the first place?"
One of the points raised by many of the netizens (I read many of the bloggers' response on Prof Lim's) was that such workers were undervalued by their employees. I can't remember which blog it was (damn, I closed many windows at the same time) but the basic point is this. If you spend S$1500 on an employee, then you would get S$1500 of value out of him. If you spend S$3000 on an employee, then you would feel compelled to get S$3000 of value out of him. How can this be done? Longer hours and more responsibilities come to mind - now given that there are only so many hours a day, mathematically, you simply cannot get twice the value from the worker by making the person work 16 hours a day instead of 8 hours a day as that's simply not possible (and downright illegal). So you have to effectively "promote" the worker, by making take on more responsibilities and the onus would then be on the employer to equip the worker with the right kind of training to be able to do this new job worth S$3000 a month.
This blogger offered a simple analogy - s/he had seen a pair of jeans that s/he liked in a shop and s/he thought it was S$50. S/he thought that the jeans were really nice - so s/he decided to go into the shop and to try the jeans on and s/he fell in love with the jeans. So when s/he took the jeans to the cashier, s/he found out that the price was actually S$150 not S$50 - s/he simply misread the price tag. S/he decided to buy the jeans anyway but now feels compelled to wear it more often to get more 'value' out of the jeans to justify having paid S$150 instead of S$50 for it.
Well you can do that with a pair of jeans but you simply cannot do the same thing with an employee. This is a classic case of putting the horse before the cart - by promoting them before they have acquired the right skills and then putting the onus on the employer to make sure they justify the pay rise, Prof Lim is unfairly putting the responsibility to improve the workers on the employers when the problem started long ago - when these workers were students and the responsibility should be passed back to the government rather than saddle this burden on employers. I fear the government does have a very valid point - this will only drive employers out of Singapore, to turn to regional countries like Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam and set up their businesses there instead.
At the end of the day, you will still need people to do manual work - we will still be left with a range of jobs that simply cannot be done by machine. What is to be the become of the unskilled manual labour who have to do those jobs? How we treat those people who do that kind of work defines us as a society: do we treat them like fellow human beings and pay them a fair wage which allows them to live a decent life, which allows them to send their children to school? Or do we see it as our right to 'punish' them for not being more educated or skilled?
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I guess there are some people who will still end up uneducated and unskilled - like my uncle. Gosh, if you were to ask me how the uneducated and unskilled should be treated, I'm likely to be very liberal and left-wing, urging the government spend a lot more money to help them improve their lives. But if you were to ask me, "what about your uncle then?" I'll say, help other poor people - let my uncle starve to death, he deserves it the bloody tsi liao bee good for nothing. I'll rather donate all my money to charity (on the condition that this charity does not help my uncle) than to give my uncle even a dollar of my money. Do I hate my uncle? You bet I do.
Oh yes - and credit where credit is due - the unemployment rate in Singapore in is just 3% at the moment. Surely that is something to be proud of when you look at the rate of unemployment in Europe! It is 8.3% in the UK at the moment, 9.3% in Italy, 10% in France, 15% in Portugal, 21% in Greece and 23.6% in Spain. I recognize that the situation in Singapore is not perfect, but at least they must be doing some things right?








Looks like you have not understood the Prof.
ReplyDeleteHe is making the point that many of the lowly paid workers are in fact being UNDERPAID by their employers, i.e. exploited.
How so? By taking grossly unfair advantage of the ridiculously liberal and exploitative immigration policy of the govt to import cheap foreigners into the country to displace locals in many jobs including those that Singaporeans have the skills to perform.
The govt has therefore actually played a direct role in causing the financial hardship faced by significant segments of the local workforce perhaps even across the board from cleaning to IT.
Surely you are aware that in other countries, e.g. Australia and NZ, the inflow of immigrants is constantly calibrated and fine-tuned to meet the country's changing requirement. As you may be away, even with such tending, migrant issues can still arise. Whereas, locally, the govt has actually opened the floodgate quite indiscriminately to all and sundry, to the extent that the rice bowls of many Singaporeans have been broken or reduced as they simply are unable to compete with foreigners who can accept a fraction of their normal payment. No need to repeat the details since it is well known.
My take of this state of affairs is that, at some point earlier, the govt had panicked or over reacted to certain global economic trend or they were caught napping i.e. have been sleeping on the job and started to adopt desperate policies to make up for it. Policies like the casinos and of course the cheap foreign labour in lieu of real productivity improvements. Basically, these measures exposed a leadership that has run out of ideas or have been resorting to short cuts. A case in point is the revelation of the hundreds of billions of our national reserved lost to toxic investment. This exposes the govt mindset of depending on quick gains by using short cuts instead of using the same billions to create or invest into real emerging and cutting edge technologies. Making money the real hard way. The people suffer because the govt has ceased to believe in its own mantra that there is NO Free Lunch by indulging in what it thought were clever quick get rich quick schemes, reaping profits without the real effort. How wrong it has been to speculate with our money in this way.
Gary - something v strange happened, I saw your comment, I approved it to be published but for some reason it simply has not showed up, can I ask you to repost it? Sorry, but Blogger is acting up for some reason.
ReplyDelete1. You are assuming that productivity is linked to pay.
ReplyDeleteTake the minister's salaries for example. Their productivity level has arguably stayed the same, yet their salaries have increased. If it is possible for them, then it could be possible for others.
In any case there are many reasons why salaries differ. Take for example footballers. Now, Messi and Ronaldo might be the best footballers on earth, but if they are already performing at optimum capacity, then why do their salaries still increase. It proves that there are other forces that affect salary, which has not been considered/ignored in the analysis so far.
2. Why not freeze their wages temporarily?
It serves as an effective stop-gap method to transfer wealth, and there is no such thing as "proving that they deserved" their salaries for the reasons listed above. Can you prove that nurses are less deserving than CEOs? Or that cleaners are less deserving than footballers? I could go on. Systemic advantages have given them the ability to pull more capital towards themselves. Maybe it is time to rebalance the system.
Hi Nelson and thanks for your comments.
Delete1. It's always easy to find exceptions to the rules - PAP ministers, superstar footballers etc - but for the rest of us mere mortals, our pay is indeed linked to our performance. And of course, it is up to the individual to demand a pay rise if s/he feels that he is being underpaid. I have asked for pay rises many times before and have often been turned down but if the boss even says yes one in ten times, then it's worth asking. More on that here: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/2012-lesson-8-ten-ways-to-earn-more.html
And of course at the bottom end, again, it's not linked to productivity; when it's blatant exploitation, the employer tries to get as much out of the employees despite paying them as little as possible.
I'm not talking about the two extremes here, I'm talking about normal circumstances.
2. I have pointed out many times before that Singapore has one of the world's lowest rates on income tax. The sensible alternative would be simply to increase the tax for many of the super mega rich whilst reducing the tax burden for those of low-income. So the rich people can go on earning big bucks, but if income tax is then levied at 50%, then half of that goes directly to the government's coffers in income tax.
As long as this extra money raised is spent on helping the poor (and not making PAP fat cats even richer), then it would be effective. But if you simply say, "rich people cannot earn more money in Singapore" - then guess what? They will go elsewhere like Hong Kong where they can do so.
All this moralistic judgment you're making about cleaners and nurses vs CEOs and footballers will not further your argument. The only way to implement your kind of "justice" is to go back to the China of the 19760s and 70s where Mao's government paid everyone a standard wage and they tried to create a socialist society free of of a bourgeois upper class, where everyone is equal. Heck, even China long gave up on that. The only place where they are still trying to do that is North Korea and boy what a successful state that is, eh?
Look, Limpeh is a left-wing liberal. I swear I am. But left-wing liberals need to embrace sensible economic policies to be taken seriously, otherwise you will be dismissed as a tree-hugging loony who doesn't understand modern economics.
Hi LIFT,
DeleteJust wanted to comment on nursing pay, speaking as someone who had worked as a nurse in Singapore and will be entering nursing in Canada.
I think the entry-level and slightly-experienced nursing pay in Singapore sucks big time mainly because of the huge influx of foreign nurses in Singapore and a lack of strong nurses' union. Of course, PAP's justification for the huge influx of foreign nurses is the same as that for many labour-intensive jobs in Singapore -- that Singaporeans (i.e. citizens) don't want to do the "dirty job".
But IMHO, that Singapore has 1st world hospital structures and 1st world demand for customer service standards, but 3rd world work culture and conditions, is the real reasons why many shun away from nursing. Add to that, nurses in Singapore are paid based on the passport they hold (no kidding), i.e. no different from maids in Singapore. From my observations: angmoh passport is 1st class, Singapore passport 2nd class, China 3rd class, Filippino 4th class, India 5th class, and others. It is so bad that many of the young Singaporeans I encountered in nursing EITHER
(a) chose nursing with the intention to leave Singapore with using that skills, OR
(b) decided to leave Singapore and/or nursing after working some time in Singapore hospitals.
But the reality that many who left Singapore still continued with nursing is a sign that the problem is not that Singaporeans don't want to do the "dirty job", but the work conditions in Singapore is not worth putting up with.
I wrote my 2 cents on the issues 1+ year ago in my blog post below, and the stuff I wrote still holds true today.
http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2010/08/nurses-day.html
While B.C. is heading the Singapore direction due to cuts to healthcare funding, it is nevertheless miles ahead of Singapore when it comes to nurses' prospects. There is stringent controls and assessment of foreign-trained nurses. Foreign nurses unfamiliar with Canadian culture are required to complete courses to train them on it. An effective union to fight for nurses' welfare and ensure that hospitals cannot blame nurses when shit-hits-the-fan for the hospital's own failure to provide adequate staffing/equipment for safe nursing. The pay is that of a typical professional at CAD$30.79/hr for new graduate nurses (or CAD50K+/year). No passport based pay-discrimination bullshit here. With good pay and decent work conditions, nursing commands social respect here as a professional job. As a result, local youths fight tooth-and-nail to enter nursing schools here, and some even have to wait several years to get-in.
http://www.viha.ca/NR/rdonlyres/D516B968-CA74-447F-ACF7-77A9E3DE6B2B/0/BCNursesSalary2010.pdf
So for nursing in Singapore, I agree with Nelson that the artificially suppressed pay of Singapore's nurses is not mainly due to their lack of productivity but other structural factors. If anyone wants to fire on the "I don't want my hospital bills to go up because of an increase in nurses' pay" line, please provide supporting evidence on the proportion of one's hospital bill that actually goes to the salary of the nurses who actually provide one's care. And please exclude from that figure items like "nurses' training costs", "nurses' day celebration costs" and other such costs that don't go into the nurses' salary.
I swear I'm not a tree-hugging loony, just a pragmatic person who recognizes the reality of the 3rd-world labour conditions in Singapore and also its 1st-world cost of living. That's one of the many reasons why I emigrated.
Well WD, thanks for your comments. All I can say is that if you ever wanna consider moving to the UK, the red carpet would be rolled out for you as we desperately lack quality nurses. We have recruited so many nurses from places like the Philippines of late ...
Delete> All I can say is that if you ever wanna consider moving to the UK, the red carpet would be rolled out for you as we desperately lack quality nurses.
DeleteThanks for the compliment ;)
Hi LPFT,
DeleteThank you for your reply.
I am glad that you agree with me that salary is not determined solely via productivity. As you would have probably read on other comments, they have indeed been affected by many other factors like exploitation and liberal policies on immigration. In short, many political choices determine salary, and productivity is merely one of them.
My view is that the widening gulf in salaries is not due to productivity, since the causes were based on other factors. In short, raising productivity will not solve these issues but only paper the cracks.
It is my belief that the focus on productivity is the ruling party’s way of deflecting their big part in the mess that we are currently in, since productivity puts the blame on the individual rather than the State. And in our case, the State has a big part to play because of the policies that they implemented.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying that lazy people can abrogate all personal responsibility to be productive and work. People should definitely work harder and smarter to increase their productivity. Individuals might be able to increase their salary in a limited way via productivity. But I am saying that no matter how hard they try to raise productivity, they will not succeed because they will be replaced by people who are willing to work for cheaper.
In short, as long as this model promotes cheap labour as an ideal state, we will never see a more equitable Singapore.
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As an aside, I see LCY's proposal as a method of decreasing the insane number of foreigners we have here. If wages are going to increase no matter what, employers will be more inclined to train locals if foreigners end up costing as much as locals.
Hi LIFT and Nelson,
DeleteI just discovered that LCY has single-handedly busted the "foreign talent" myth in his clarification given to The Online Citizen.
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/04/prof-lim-clarifies-on-economic-restructuring-ii-erii/
Look at the numbers he gave. I calculated that less than 20K are actually "talented" enough to have jobs that require them to pay income tax. What about the other 1,137,331 foreign labour? Talents, really? Myth busted!
http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2012/04/lcy-busts-foreign-talents-myth.html
Ai-yo-yoh!
Dear Winking Doll,
DeleteThank you for that update.
This piece of information would surely support my contention that productivity is not linked directly to wages in Singapore, would you agree?
It's time to pay people their fair wages.
Hi Nelson,
DeleteI agree with you. As I have written earlier, "I agree with Nelson that the artificially suppressed pay of Singapore's nurses is not mainly due to their lack of productivity but other structural factors." My observation of nursing is based on my personal experience. IMHO, I think that similar factors are at play in the other industries as well, given the way the foreign labour floodgates have been wide open for years in Singapore.
You wrote, "It's time to pay people their fair wages."
Yes, I agree with you (fair wages is way overdue), but I am not so optimistic, given the power differential and vested interests at play. See Lucky Tan or UTWT blog posts about the power differential.
http://singaporemind.blogspot.ca/2012/04/our-income-gap-reflects-power.html
(I don't know why, but I cannot find UTWT's post on the power differential anymore)
Just yesterday I had dinner with 2 France French friends, who also migrated to Canada. France is a country known for labour strikes, my friends often joked about the excessive frequency of strikes in France. They were in full admiration of Singapore's efficiency in contrast. We chat over dinner and they were surprised to learn that "1 person can be an illegal assembly in Singapore". One friend asked, "Then how do you Singaporeans make your unhappiness with policies known to the government?" I told them honestly that besides some "official feedback channels" and "a small patch of grass" where Singapore citizens have to apply for LICENCE to make speeches, there is no other means except online. They were shocked, something along the lines of "not a democracy".
Without the power and ability to strike, make one's voice heard and punch felt, the power differential will not swing in favour of the working class. Thus, I am not optimistic that the present PAP-dominated government will "pay people their fair wages". Just look at the PAP stooges' replies to LCY, we know where the wind blows.
Sounds to me like LCY is looking at this through the eyes of a seasoned policy maker. I envision it going something like this: Okay, given the MIW's love for FTs, what can we do? I'm sure LCY recognizes that decreasing the supply of unskilled labor will increase equilibrium wages for unskilled jobs, but that simply is not something the MIW will do.
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Well, fair point. There's so much one can try to do when the situation is already is in such a mess. The consensus seems to be that the PAP shouldn't have imported so many PRCs in the first place and short of expelling them back to China (whoopee!), no one has any other better solutions and LCY is trying to make the best of a bad situation.
DeleteYeah, I also thought that LCY came up with this incredulous solution because he knows that PAP will not backtrack on its "no minimum wages" and "open foreign floodgates" scared cows.
DeleteOops, I just read LCY's presentation that is posted on "The Online Citizen". Apparently, he did suggested to close the floodgates!
Delete"It cannot be over-stated that successful economic restructuring can only take place with a moratorium on cheap labour import." -- LCY
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/04/does-singapore-need-economic-restructuring-ii-or-another-wage-revolution-part-1/
Now his ER II idea makes more sense. But as Yawning Bread wrote, "productivity improvement is much harder than it appears" because "it involves redesign of processes, retraining of people and maybe the elimination of certain jobs".
http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/softly-softly-will-not-narrow-income-gap
Singapore citizens still afloat on that little red dot have better brace themselves for a rough ride ahead.
There you go, that's one thing we can all agree on, ie. 'close the floodgates'.
DeleteI enjoy reading your articles and for the above article, by and large I share your views.
ReplyDeleteIf I may just comment on your first suggestion on dealing with the problem:-
1. The government should increase spending on those who perform badly academically - rather than forcing them to try to struggle through an academic system, they should be allowed to switch over to a technical education as soon as possible. This means boosting the funding for ITE so that they can improve the quality of their training and not look like a last resort anymore.
I think for this to work, it will require a large shift in the mindset of Singaporean parents. Any parent would want the best for their kids. That’s why they pay for the extra tuition and/or for their child to get degrees from foreign universities. And that’s why they will not want to put their kids in ITE unless there are no other choices. The consideration, I feel, is less of the quality of the training provided by ITE, but the more of the typecast associated with it. Thereby leading to it being the institute of “last resort”…. Unless, ITE graduates can command starting salaries the same as, or not too distant from that of their polytechnic peers.
In case of misunderstanding, I am for the idea of increasing spending for those who perform poorly academically. It’s just that I think the issue isn’t with the ITE but our own mindset, sculpted through years of meritocracy as defined by academic qualifications.
Thanks for this and you've introduced a new dimension into this argument - the role and mindset of parents.
DeleteI guess in Singapore a top down solution can work - if you create a viable path for the non-academically inclined kids, then parents will see "if the government says this is okay, then it must be okay".
But this will only help some of those who are not academically inclined, there are some who are just unable to learn any useful skills, like my uncle. Then what about then?
I wish to believe that education is empowerment. Although in reality it is not always so.
DeleteI also believe that education avenues should be made available where possible. But whether people choose to use the opportunity to learn, it is an entirely personal matter.
Forgive me for not reading through all the comments and replies made here, but I caught a mention of people with limited natural abilities. As you rightfully mentioned, there will be people who have difficulty picking up any useful skills no matter what is presented to them.
An oft mentioned parable is the one on providing fish and teaching how to fish. What if the person just doesn’t have the aptitude to fish or worse, no interest to want to learn to fish? That is the conundrum you are highlighting isn’t it. Well, unfortunately, for these people (eg. Perhaps someone like your uncle?), they will have to find some other means to sustain themselves.
Personally, I don’t believe it is the government’s role to provide for everyone, for every situation. If someone with special needs can find employment in Singapore, there is little excuse for those with little natural abilities not to find employment (difficult as it may be and complicated by the influx of cheap foreign workers). It is a matter of adjusting their expectations of what they can command, and working up from that starting point.
For the ITE route to work, "tradies" (a.k.a. blue-collar workers) must be able to earn a decent living that can pay for:
Delete1. a roof over for their family,
2. nutritious food on the table for the family,
3. childcare/education for their children,
4. healthcare for the family,
5. financial support for the elderly, and
6. future retirement for the breadwinners (assuming both parents work).
Now, in Singapore, with the foreign labour floodgates wide open depressing the pay of the "tradies" (and even extending into the PMET jobs), this isn't going to happen.
Just cross over to ang-moh countries like Australia, UK, Canada, France, the Nordic countries, you can see the difference in attitude given that the tradies can/do make a decent living. Some even make more than professionals in office jobs. When one look at the different ways each of these country make it possible for the "tradies" to have a quality life, one will notice that it is not so much the "how" but the "will" to make this a reality that is missing from Singapore.
Productivity, as assumed by the government, is a prerequisite for an increase in wages. With no evidence of productivity increases, there will be no increase in wages. A fear of increasing wages without a corresponding increase in productivity led the PAP to dismiss the idea.
ReplyDeletePromoting an individual before they have the right skills requires having a certain level of faith and giving autonomy to the employee to do his job more productively with an increase in wages.
The ‘problem’ is also the assumption that these workers on the lower spectrum of the economy are problems to the economy and this ‘problem’ is either ‘taken upon’ by the
1. Government 2. Employer 3. Employee themselves, not knowing that it is a fracture in society, and everyone bears the burden. Instead of helping, the situation is being passed around in a vicious circle that deepens each time, ending up with the employee suffering the most.
I am very sure the government, along with employers will not agree to ‘faith’ in the employee, and maybe it is too late for those already in the workforce to have a drastic change to a more productive mindset.
But, it is clear to me that the low end of wages are simply not enough to survive, (i am clearly ignoring $1000 to buy a HDB flat as an exaggerated truth), then the quality of every aspect of the individual’s life is diminished.
Does this not make arguing over minister’s pay look ridiculous, when we should be arguing about survival of many individuals in society?
Respect, either from society or to oneself, is dependent on the ability to provide, and a situation pops up where this becomes extremely abnormal and newsworthy to
many in Singapore : http://www.tnp.sg/content/fresh-grad-prefers-be-hawkers-wife
There is a high level of distrust in education in Singapore, you start with nothing and you earn your “stars”, and not adding to the pie in a specific way means you are simply punished and led to different paths that are disrespected and frowned upon. You are right in the belief that education must change, including more funding for locals. The inflow of cheap labour that depresses wages must also stop.
What Prof Lim suggests is a correction to the string of errors the government has led the country to be in this situation, and his "Shock Therapy" is meant to be controversial and draw attention to the existing cracks. It is a knee-jerk reaction to the knee-jerk reaction of allowing an inflow of cheap labour that “kills two birds with one stone”, to do jobs Singaporeans don’t want to do, and improve the birth rate.
What is a job that singaporeans do not want to do in the first place? I do not believe that if a cleaner earns $3000 a month, there will be a shortage of supply. What comes first? Productivity or an increase in wages? It is a chicken & egg situation but one must come first either way and we are clearly lacking in both at the moment.
I believe it comes with respect, respect to the individual who is doing the job with the knowledge that remuneration covers expenses and necessities. (Scandinavia does a very good job with this)
Productivity needs to be appreciated and supported, not asked for. It is very linked to our birth rate, and these are deeper choices in the eyes of an individual, to have a family or to want to excel in their job. Expecting and forcing it simply smears the meaning of it.
If a minimum wage will only drive employers out of Singapore, to turn to regional countries like Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam and set up their businesses there instead, the lack of respect for their citizens will lead to many like you and many others to leave without any remorse.
We cannot expect things to be solved in an instant, many of the solutions will then be a bandage to the wound that never heals. Prof Lim’s statement was needed for dialogue to start, which makes it very important as well. Is there one clear solution? No, but many things as suggested will help and I certainly know it starts with a broader mindset from an early age.
Interesting post Singwen, thanks - I just want to point out that in Europe at least, so many people both in the public and private sectors are facing pay freezes, even pay cuts. So for LCY to talk about such a big pay rise in this current economic climate... well, maybe 5 years ago before this credit crunch was upon us, it could've been more timely then?
DeleteInteresting you have mentioned 'lack of respect for their citizens' - as that is something I am going to talk about in my next post, akan datang!
I think Mr Ho Kwon Pings article on completing the wage revolution is much more comprehensive than Prof Lim's suggestions at this point in time, but the government sees things only after they happen, and tries to limit the consequences. (http://www.smu.edu.sg/about_smu/images/documents/hokwanping/ST_20120117_1.pdf)
DeleteAnd I doubt that 5 years ago, they would think that this was a pressing problem that needs careful consideration instead of quick solutions, when everything is 'doing great'.
Thank you for having this blog, it keeps me sane in Singapore.
Looking forward to your next post!
What i hear very often from scholar friends or 'success stories' of our education system is that since they succeeded and benefited, it is a very meritocratic and just system that works.
DeleteMany ministers are successful products of this system, so I strongly doubt they will ever see that it creates many "failures". Thus, with every new education minister comes a 'i will not rock the boat' and 'if in aint broke dont fix it' mentality.
"If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it live its whole life believing that it is stupid".
This system makes "failures" believe they are actual failures.
Cheers Singwen, I try my best. Working on the new article now, doing some research - watching clips of the event in NYC on youtube before passing judgment.
DeletePosted earlier from my phone - not sure if it came through. Feel free to contact me if you want perspective from someone who attended.
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DeleteDoes anyone here see a parallel here of the govt 'scholarly' system with the ancient Chinese system of scholars produced by the imperial examination?
DeleteLook at the fate of Chinese society in the hands of these hand picked scholars.
I think we based our system on exactly that and Ngiam Tong Dow talked about it here: http://www.alexlew.com/2012/03/singapore-must-achieve-more-with-less.html
DeleteAnd he made an Athens vs Sparta comparison as an analogy for Singapore (end of article):
https://www.facebook.com/notes/theonlinecitizen/i-suspect-we-have-started-to-believe-our-own-propaganda/395224663963
Gary, I think that's an excellent observation, a chilling comparison and a sobering thought.
DeleteWhen we had a family, we moved away eagerly from the kiasu meritocratic, materialistic parent stereotype, and have sinced placed our boys in neighbourhood community pre-schools, and our older one deliberately in a 'typical' primary school.
ReplyDeleteWe wanted him to expose himself to his international schoolmates, many of whom ended up there after all the 'choice' places elsewhere had been given to locals, as well as for its strong Chinese tradition, in contrast to our English-speaking home.
Our real experiences struggling together with our older boy has convinced us, that giving the help that children and their parents really need, as they struggle in the system, is far, far better than just throwing money into a rigid education system.
This is especially when the system does not recognise, that some children are individuals who can only develop well in their own ways, and should not be conveniently pigeon-holed as 'weak', simply because they cannot conform to the norm.
So how do you feel about the issue then Alan - should we simply be giving the lowest-paid in our society more money? (as proposed by LCY) or should we spend more resources to try to help train them (as proposed by Limpeh)?
DeleteI think the problem with my solution is that it is limited. There will always be some people who are so limited in their natural ability that they will never be able to do more than the most basic of manual labour, and there will always be work like that in our society which cannot be done by machines ... but the thing is in Singapore, such work is now being done by foreign workers who are willing to work for very little money, thus leaving that segment of Singaporeans particularly screwed because they have no skills and now have to compete with foreign workers.
As I have pointed out, it should not be about throwing money at the problem, but to really give what is needed.
DeleteThat must mean the end of 'the top knows best', because it no longer does.
That must mean the end of "sure, we listen, but we make the final decisions" (which were already made earlier, without any significant changes).
This means the end of inflexible top-down theory, and realistic bottom-up design.
What is an unspectacular citizen worth, to be taken care of?
What is society and the government's contract with its nameless and faceless natives?
Is 'worth' a matter of changing circumstances, or are there some fundamental immutables?
Are today's 'useless' citizens like 'petroleum', considered worthless before modern times?
Are today's 'elite' like coal today, previously considered 'black gold' but today a source of dirty pollution, contributing severely to the global climate crisis?
How long will Singapore last on short-sightedness, on alienating its own people?
Looks like you have not understood the Prof.
ReplyDeleteHe is making the point that many of the lowly paid workers are in fact being UNDERPAID by their employers, i.e. exploited.
How so? By taking grossly unfair advantage of the ridiculously liberal and exploitative immigration policy of the govt to import cheap foreigners into the country to displace locals in many jobs including those that Singaporeans have the skills to perform.
The govt has therefore actually played a direct role in causing the financial hardship faced by significant segments of the local workforce perhaps even across the board from cleaning to IT.
Surely you are aware that in other countries, e.g. Australia and NZ, the inflow of immigrants is constantly calibrated and fine-tuned to meet the country's changing requirement. As you may be aware, even with such tending, migrant issues can still arise. Whereas, locally, the govt has actually opened the floodgate quite indiscriminately to all and sundry, to the extent that the rice bowls of many Singaporeans have been broken or reduced as they simply are unable to compete with foreigners who can accept a fraction of their normal payment. No need to repeat the details since it is well known.
My take of this state of affairs is that, at some point earlier, the govt had panicked or over reacted to certain global economic trend or they were caught napping i.e. have been sleeping on the job and started to adopt desperate policies to make up for it. Policies like the casinos and of course the cheap foreign labour in lieu of real productivity improvements. Basically, these measures exposed a leadership that has run out of ideas or have been resorting to short cuts. A case in point is the revelation of the hundreds of billions of our national reserved lost to toxic investment. This exposes the govt mindset of depending on quick gains by using short cuts instead of using the same billions to create or invest into real emerging and cutting edge technologies. Making money the real hard way. The people suffer because the govt has ceased to believe in its own mantra that there is NO Free Lunch by indulging in what it thought were clever quick get rich quick schemes, reaping profits without the real effort. How wrong it has been to speculate with our money in this way.
Alamak, you think Limpeh condones PAP's stance on importing over 1 million PRCs? I say send them all back, problem solved, easy. Sorry long day, I see your point - it's not that I disagree with you, but I have been pretty heavy handed on PRC-bashing on my blog of late, from saying that they bloody stink to saying that they are garang shoplifters to saying that they should all be sent back to China ... what more do you want?
Deletegary, i would refer u to...
Deletehttp://limpehft.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-sengkang-bus-159-accident-reveals.html
it's limpehft at one of his more colourful moments...
what i think is, that the incumbent is drunk on greed. it's not able to stop itself from wanting a bigger pie. grow the pie hmm? yes?
With regards to Prof Lim's clarifications on the recommendations of his "shock therapy", I find it edifying how the state media(CNA) reports it:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1196026/1/.html
They totally left out the whole issue on Prof Lim's analysis on how Singapore workers are grossly underpaid with regards to other developed countries like Hong Kong or Japan. And is it me, or is this article written in such a way that it is confounding, and not accessible to the masses, which goes against the ethos of good reporting..?
LIFT, a few logical traps in the whole debate (not particularly your article, but the whole debate in the press and generally):
ReplyDelete1. Wages is driven by productivity - not true. Wages is primarily driven by demand and supply, and supply is impacted by foreign import restrictions. A low-skilled cleaner doing the same work will earn a lot more in Japan than in Singapore and in India, because it is harder to import low-cost labor into the country. Should the low-skilled cleaner in Japan be paid less? Probably not, especially if society as a whole feel it is okay that the cleaner should be paid a decent wage to survive (addressing your question on your uncle)
2. A sudden wage increase without productivity increase will be disastrous - not necessarily true. We have a real live case study in China right now - significant wage increase for factory workers after many strikes last year. What happened next - a. Most companies (particularly MNCs) paid their workers more, and went on as before, because they can't find similarly skilled workers elsewhere b. Some companies (particularly SMEs) closed shop and some (MNCs) moved their operations to lower-cost Vietnam and Cambodia IF they can find similarly skilled workers, and c. Some companies started automation and training their workers to work with machines rather than do low-productivity manual work (exactly the productivity shock that LCY was advocating). And did the Guangzhou economy collapse? Not really, because labor is very tight, similar to what is happening in Singapore now (again LCY's point), and low-cost labor has been "underpaid" for quite a while
It might be true that between the govt tightening of foreign labor, govt grants to improve productivity, govt exhortations to improve productivity and do smart sourcing rather than low-cost sourcing, productivity will grow over time (i.e. the govt's current approach). But as someone who professionally give strategic and operational advice to businesses, sometimes you need a "burning platform" for businesses to seriously address productivity issues, rather than continue to rely on cheap labor. After all, if you ask business people what they want, they will always want to get high-skilled labor (or any labor) for the lowest possible cost in order to maximize profit margins. Hence the chorus of protest from the business community.